Re: HYB: umbrata/Sutton sdlng

When I first jokingly came up with <umbrata> as a name, I was talking
about irises that do have the same rim color as the standards.  A
<shadow> on the falls, as opposed to <luminata>, a bright, light spot on
the falls, sort of.  Pink standards & rims on purple falls, yellow or
cream standards & rims on red falls, white standards & rims on purple
falls, blue standards and rims on purple falls.

All but the last category (blue standards and rims on purple falls) are
the same genetic pattern as the variegata/recessive amoena pattern.
Recessive amoena, according to the World of Iris, is the same as
variegata but with the yellow missing.  Maybe the blue ones are the same
also, but with some modifier or something else layered on (or inhibited
or ?) to give the blue pigment to the rims and standards.

I keep hoping somebody who knows more about how this pattern and the
pigments involved are inherited will post something here.

The lovely gaudy thing Mike Sutton posted is variegata, sort of, but the
<unshadowed> rims on the falls have the yellow pigment converted to
pink.

So does that make it what I was calling <umbrata>?  Beats me.  Since we
are making up this name, we can create the definition as well.

Then there are those like MASTERY and the SDB BEING BUSY, that have
yellow standards, red purple falls and tan/brown rims.

I guess I would call all of those with a distinct light rim umbratas -
the distinct, dark shadow/spot is there - but I have no idea whether or
not the genetics of the pattern is the same, or if it's a combination of
patterns (umbrata plus something else).

Ever since I discovered that recessive amoena and variegata is the same
genetic pattern, it seems superfluous (lovely word!) to create another
descriptor.  Bottom line: umbrata = recessive amoena/variegata.

<Bill, Randy,  I've probably got it wrong, but I thought that the
umbrata pattern had a rim the same color as the  standards?  Linda Mann,
what say ye?  I think your term is going to stick, so your definition is
needed again.  Donald >

< Very good, this is what we were calling the umbrata pattern.>

 <Elaborate please. Is there a pattern characteristic beyond the rim
that differentiates an  umbrata pattern? The pun is not intended.  Bill
Burleson >

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