Re: Re: [iris-photos] VIRUSES

Cathy, I appreciate your point of view and over the past few years have
learned to value your opinion. But...I would ask you to consider that a
lot of us do not have your up-to-the minute virus alert warnings and
information on a daily basis. We probably all have virus checkers of some
sort and may or may not have them updated daily, weekly etc. Just in
"chatting" in the past tho, a lot of these update routines are out of
date or not configured for newer software, OS, ISP, or email addresses.
What would you think about a subject tag like Patrick suggested and
similar in function to the ADMIN, that is for the list owner's use only,
could be used? Or maybe he could designate one person who is up-to-the
minute on bona fide current virus threats (not hoax) to issue a reminder
to update virus info? That would be one message, periodically only when a
real threat looms? Or at least if messages on an iris talk or iris photo
forum contain a virus warning. 

One of the reasons I ask is that I went over to the iris photo list
trying to see if I could understand why Mr. Peters was leaving this list
so abruptly. I thought maybe I could read some past messages there and
get a better understanding. Anyway, shortly into reading some messages,
the ones about viruses started coming up. At that point, I thought, you
know maybe I should just manually update now. So I stopped what I was
doing, updated my virus info and ran a full system scan. All clean. I
would not have done that tho if not for the reminder that there are virus
among us! 

This one is a tough one, I value your and Patricks opinion very much and
can see both ways on this. Personally, I'd like a brief message if a real
threat exists.

Regards,
Char Randall
Melba, Idaho


On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:46:21 -0400 Catherine Button
<cathy@pav.research.panasonic.com> writes:
> Patrick,
> 
> You are a god. Anyone open minded enough to listen and change their 
> mind 
> is a hero in my eyes!
> 
> 
> Patrick Orr wrote:
> 
> > lol!  Cathy, you are probably not the only one feeling this way. 
> > Not being a network admin, I forget about thread volumes and such, 
> and 
> > you are right, there is a better venue than this. To store VIR 
> > messages would be taking up room more suited for irises.
> > I see your point!  I want to keep this forum and not overextend it 
> 
> > anymore than it is.
> >  
> > Thank you!
> > Patrick
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Catherine Button 
> <c*@pav.research.panasonic.com>
> >     *To:* iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
> >     <i*@yahoogroups.com>
> >     *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:15 AM
> >     *Subject:* Re: [iris-photos] VIRUSES
> >
> >     I hear your opinion on this and have to disagree - STRONGLY!
> >     This is not the appropriate venue for this type of discussion. 
> If
> >     there
> >     were no other place you could get this info, then maybe. But
> >     mostly not.
> >     This list and even the iris list which is more suited to a 
> discussion
> >     type of posting, have days that are high volume with threads 
> that
> >     many
> >     members might not be interested in. This would exacerbate the 
> problem.
> >
> >     You always have the option to join a list that expressly 
> gives
> >     advance
> >     warnings of viruses or worms or a general chat list or a 
> computer
> >     platform specific list or subscribe to your anti-virus 
> provider's
> >     list.
> >     But please, not here.
> >
> >     As a network admin, I already have to live, eat, breathe and 
> sleep
> >     this
> >     stuff. Put posts about viruses on what is supposed to be a 
> iris
> >     list in
> >     pursuit of photos and discussions related to iris, and well, 
> it's
> >     supposed to be fun and interesting - NOT WORK. I would hate 
> to
> >     vote with
> >     my feet...
> >
> >     cathy
> >
> >     Patrick Orr wrote:
> >
> >     > I would like to see a subject tag VIR to be added for Virus
> >     Messages
> >     > being posted to Iris-Talk/Iris-Photos. Obviously, these 
> messages
> >     are
> >     > important to some people.  With a subject tag, they can be 
> filtered.
> >     > 
> >     > I feel the virus alerts on iris-talk have value in the fact 
> that
> >     they
> >     > alert us when things do show up, they gently remind us to 
> update
> >     our
> >     > virus definitions if we have been procrastinating, and they 
> confirm
> >     > that we are not the only ones who get them.
> >     > 
> >     > New viruses are created every day, and occasionally, I have 
> been
> >     > victim of a virus that was so new neither Norton or McAffee 
> knew
> >     about
> >     > it.  This happened just a while ago with a Bagel virus that 
> really
> >     > played havoc on my system.  I got the virus a couple of days 
> before
> >     > McAfee and Norton had a solution for it.
> >     > 
> >     > (This is one of the main reasons I detest chain letters, or
> >     anything
> >     > that is FW:fw:fw:fw, etc.  Chain letters and the like are a 
> hackers
> >     > best method for distributing a /newly/ created virus that 
> your
> >     > Antivirus software doesn't know about yet.)
> >     > 
> >     > It has been made quite clear in the past that everyone 
> should
> >     have the
> >     > most recent, current, and updated virus program possible, 
> but the
> >     > reality of the situation is that not everyone is as 
> technically
> >     > minded, nor does everyone wish to have their computer set 
> to
> >     automatic
> >     > for updates.
> >     > 
> >     > In addition to that, it has been reported recently, that 
> some
> >     > (granted, very rare instances) viruses, worms, and/or 
> trojans
> >     /have/
> >     > been getting through some antivirus programs, even when they 
> are
> >     > completely updated and aware of them. Hackers are getting 
> more
> >     > creative with their viruses every day.
> >     > 
> >     > Respectfully submitted as something to consider,
> >     > Patrick Orr
> >     > Phoenix, AZ  Zone 9
> >     > USA
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     > John Jones wrote:
> >     > 
> >     > >If you have questions or concerns email me privately, but
> >     please do
> >     > not post messages to the list alerting >people to a virused
> >     message.
> >     > If they don't have a virus checker, it is too late because 
> they
> >     > already received >the infected message.
> >     >
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