Re: CULT: negativity (was Cyber trial gardens)

I think that is a rather rude response to someone who is simply stating their
viewpoint as they see it. You are less likely to get folks to support your idea
when you approach it as "my way or the highway" which is certainly the tone I and
others read into some of the posts. Anyone who doesn't agree exactly with you is
either missing the point or has a defeatest attitude. Even more, if a post doesn't
suit you it gets labeled as "confiningly ridiculous" and is dismissed? Yet you
want the quiet people to speak up? Why would they when they could be labeled as
confiningly ridiculous or just plain dismissed?

I think you have an interesting idea about hybridizer trial gardens. Not all
hybridizers will be on board, for various reasons. That does not mean that they do
not share your goals. That does not make them "part of the problem". Some will
join in, and perhaps advancements will be forthcoming. As to the idea of varietal
trial gardens, the same applies. Whether or not the data will be useful remains to
be seen. I have been growing irises for a long time and on a larger scale than mny
people. Never does a year pass that there is not some surprise as to what grows
well and what doesn't, what lives and what doesn't, what blooms and what doesn't.
In that company are included both newer things and the tried&true varieties. There
are no sure things in gardening, whether it be irises, corn, soybeans, carrots or
petunias. More power to your idea, but please do not label as defeatist or
lambaste those who are not interested or have a different view of its' value.

John Bruce
SW Ohio zone 5b



> I think this email pretty much sums up the misconception that is being exhibited
so far and what I have been trying to get at.  Note that it is not directed at any
one person even though their comments may be included below.  They are only the
latest representatives of a mindset.

> I don't think you do appreciate and certainly NOT applauding it at all.  That is
a VERY self-centered approach.  AND I WILL STATE AGAIN, if it doesn't bloom no
data for that is taken.  How hard is that to understand?  The viewpoint of a
comment like that is presupposing FAILURE which is kin to a self-fullfilling
prophecy.

> The "lives or dies" approach and how it grows in your region or locale is very
defeatist.

>  If you don't agree to the terms (and none have been set up by the way) then you
don't do the
>  garden or the evaluation.  PERIOD.  Denouncement of the proposition before any
real ground
>  work has been laid is a rather negative attitude.
>
> How can someone who LOVES plants, even our wonderful Iris with all its potential
faults,
> not want to be part of a solution and the improvement with CONSTRUCTIVE AND
POSITIVE > thoughts to contribute?  Maybe no one should answer that.  It might be
too depressing to
> actually know what is running around is some of those heads.
>
> What is YOUR solution?!  I have yet to really hear anyone (except Char and
Linda)
> state anything of any real significance except to gripe about "all the work"
involved.

> I am unlikely to respond to anymore of these negative and confiningly ridiculous
emails
> in the open Forum and simply dismiss them as just that.  Those of us who are
willing to
> take the Trial Garden group to it's next level WILL, with or without you all.
Those of you
> willing to actively participate and be positive toward a common goal keep in
touch.  Yes,
> that also includes those who are just READING all these posts.  Come on speak
out.
> Although,the negative comments have enabled us to suss out what we would be up
against
> in the "Real World".

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