i neglected to mention also that my area in particular seems to have this strange difference in weather with a city only five miles from me. Usually when it rains here its sunny there. When its foggy here its sunny there. I think we even get more days of fog than does Castroville which supplies almost all of the US' artichokes. Artichokes were brought to castroville because the climate was almost exactly where the farmers who grew them for race horses the same. I believe two years ago we had in july 28 days of fog . BJ