I have seen a very nice Flannel bush ( forget the latin) growing right above a VERY busy tunnel in monterey ( ts only about 6 feet above the street ) . I have also seen a very nice planting of Flannel bushes and some un-native plants ( Dietes vegeta ) with some local granite in a divider in monterey. they seem to cope well with the big trucks and the many cars that pass by them. Ive also seen some ceanothus' that have been pruned into cubes. they dont get a lot of leaves ( although they are in a shady spot) and are RIGHT next to cars ( Its along the drive through of a fast food restaurant) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- "He who does not look back to where he comes from will not get to where he is going." -Filipino saying "A silent man, is a dangerous man." -Filipino saying "He who believes in tales has no mind of his own." -Filipino saying ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------