I have been experimenting with the new wetting agents in an attempt to save water how different are they from normal household detergent? Does anyone know? I tried some detergent the other day and it seemed to work as well and was $$$s cheaper. Any chemists out there in cyberland? Merry Christmas Michael Bailes, The Fragrant Garden Portsmouth Road Erina. N.S.W. 2250 Australia. (OZ) Int fax 61 243 651979 Phone 61 243 677322 frgntgar@ozemail.com.au web page at: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~frgntgar/ NEW Edition 14 of our newsletter is out now It is all about Herbs for Pain and Basil. All newsletters are available on our web site The newsletter is twelve A4 pages long. You need Adobe Acrobat distiller (shareware available from adobe site); lots of RAM and a server that can handle 1mg files. It takes about 5-10 minutes to download. It is best printed on HP premium paper.