Re: Invasive or not?

Dear Medit folks,
I guess  I am asking  3 questions:
1)  Should I sell/ not sell them?
2) What if a landscaper wants to plant one in an urban backyard like San
Francisco?  Is it still considered unethical to sell them one?
3) Will  the birds carry the seeds -or how far can they fly before they have
to poop? Ha Ha. Is this a real concern?
Actually I just googled Melia -poison & birds and found that the seeds are
considered toxic to birds. Well now, will I be poisoning birds?!  Or do the
birds know better?
Right now , I feel rather safe about the Melia ( tho I will wait for further
comments)  but am wavering on the Retama.

    Thanks, Annie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Seals" <gardenguru@yahoo.com>
To: <kk@kozminski.com>
Cc: "MeditPlants" <medit-plants@ucdavis.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Invasive or not?


> Thanks for the further clarification KK.
>
> I stand corrected.
>
> Although, your clarification does confirm the point I
> was (awkwardly) trying to make:
>
> that the plant is listed only as HAVING POTENTIAL to
> become invasive or expand or whatever word they use. I
> did go to your marked Cal website and there was, sure
> enough, a note about the speices.  But it's NOT on any
> of their true weed lists.
>
> I didn't try Googling for the Fallbrook Naval Weapons
> Station.  But it wouldn't have improved my memory.  I
> didn't know it then -- sounds like it's something that
> wouldn't have received much publicity, if you know
> what I mean.  Now I know.
>
> One of only two plants that I'd ever seen of this
> species was, indeed, in north San Diego County.  A
> great bollowy specimen on a slope on the east side of
> Hwy 5.  It had been there many years when I first saw
> it and that was 28 years ago.  I think it's gone now
> but during it's many years there, I never saw
> seedlings of it nearby.
>
> Believe it or not, I am an avid proponent of watching
> out for potential weeds (watch out you sneaky
> international-seed-by-mail-or-suitcase people).
>
> But the reality is, there's an awful lot of plants
> that have naturalized locally in many parts of
> California.  Perfect conditions, I'm sure, exist
> somewhere in this state for almost every Mediterranean
> climate plant to become a pest.
>
> Is this really the question Annie is asking?
>
> Joe
> --- Krzysztof Kozminski <kk@kozminski.com> wrote:
> > First, many thanks to Annie for her most considerate
> > approach!
> >
> > On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 07:29 PM, Joe Seals
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Just a clarification:
> > >
> > > This species is NOT on the Red Alert page of the
> > > CalEPPC.
> >
> > Yes it is. If you looked at the provided URL:
> >
> >
> >
> http://groups.ucanr.org/ceppc/Pest_Plant_List/Red_Alert.htm
> >
> > you would find it's the tenth one down from the top.
> >
> > > It's on their "Species with potential" list.
> >
> > Which happens to be what the Red Alert list is. It
> > says so right at the
> > top of the aforementioned page:
> >
> > Red Alert: Species with potential to spread
> > explosively; infestations
> > currently restricted
> >
> > Red Alert list are NOT the worst invasives like star
> > thistle, pampas
> > grass, or scotch broom; the real baddies sit on list
> > A, somewhat less
> > bad ones on list B, and potential baddies on the Red
> > Alert list.
> >
> > > That list says it was "First noted at Fallbrook
> > Naval
> > > Weapons Station, San Diego Co..." and found only
> > in
> > > "San Diego County".
> > > I used to live in San Diego (25 years worth) and I
> > > don't remember a "Fallbrook Naval Weapons
> > Station".
> > > Hmmm?
> >
> > If you tried googling for it, you'd find it is the
> > east portion of Camp
> > Pendleton.
> >
> > > It's also not on any of the CalDeptofAg lists (any
> > one
> > > of the many of them).
> >
> > Go to CalDeptofAg page at this URL:
> >
> > http://pi.cdfa.ca.gov/weedinfo/CYTISUSG2.html
> >
> > and search for "Retama". You'll find it towards the
> > bottom of the page.
> > The page says it is expected to expand its range.
> >
> > Hmmm?
> >
> > Overall, from the stuff available (very easily) on
> > the web, it appears
> > that it is not (perhaps not yet) an invasive problem
> > plant.
> >
> > KK
> >
> > > Joe
>
> =====
> Joe Seals
> Santa Maria, California --
> where the weather is always perfect
> and my garden always has something blooming
> and birds galore
>
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