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Joanie, f you want fragrance, get the trumpets and orienpets. Trumpet
will knock your socks off with fragrance! When they crossed the orientals
with the trumpets, both parents contribute fragrance and you get an extra
chromosome to boot - which is why they're so durable. The orientals are so
lovely, just not dependable for me.
If your clay soil doesn't drain well enough they could rot. Depending
on the size of the planting and how you've amended the planting hole, there is
the possibility of the bathtub effect, again causing rotting. Next time
you plant some, put some sort of marker for each. If one doesn't come
up, dig down to see if it is there. If it's rotting there'll still be some
semblance of a bulb there. If it's voles or chipmunks there may be
nothing or maybe a bunch of loose scales.
The only experience I've had with rodents getting into my bulbs was the
year I potted a lot of lilies in fall to sell the next spring. I placed
these pots in a different spot than I usually did and some rodent got into
almost all of the pots. They ate only the basal plates and tossed the
scales everywhere. Now when I pot lilies in fall I bag the pots in big
mesh Narcissi bags.
I thought orientals originated with L speciosum Rubrum, but I may be
wrong. I don't believe Tiger lilies (L lancifolium) are involved.
Tiger lilies are very durable and consequently can endure many viruses that
orientals would succumb to.
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
J*@aol.com
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Lilies
Hi, Kitty. My trouble began when I discovered the orientals, which I
really could never have too many of. My soil is heavy clay and the
lilies are in an area which drains pretty well but that's an
elusive phrase here. I plant the bulbs in deeply amended
soil (compost, peat sometimes and also aged manure depending on what's in a
certain bed), irrigate as needed, no chems, sun until around 3pm, 1 1/2" leaf
mulch or compost mulch, But, I don't have cats and I do have many
dig-to-China chipmunks. And voles and moles. But they would have eaten the
entire bulb as I did not encase them in wire so even spindly lilies
wouldn't have come up. But I also had quite a few which never appeared again.
You said the Orienpets worked for you. I need to try some of those and go
back to the tigers as well. But the fragrance of an oriental is out of this
world, right up there with lilacs and the rose 'Jacqueline du Pre' ( http://www.dianeseeds.com/files/r_jacqueline_du_pre.jpg).
BTW, does anyone know if the orientals spring from tiger lilies?
They have similar traits. Thanks to anyone who might have some ideas.
In a message dated 6/12/2011 1:50:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
I generally have complete success with lilies until it comes to shade
types. Maybe it's all the tree root competion for moisture and
nutrients. Asiatics and Trumpets are easy; the former multiplying
quickly, the latter getting bigger underground until they split in
two. Orientals, not that good, they tend to be more wimpy for
me. All the hybrids I've tried - Orienpet, A/L hybrids grow big
and healthy. Tiger Lily, Lilium lancifolium spreads like crazy.
Rodents rarely bother them, though that could be because I was blessed with
some wonderful cats over the years. I have some lilies still that I
bought 20 years ago.
Joanie, I assume you're following all the standard cultivation info for
lilies. Exposure, moisture, not pruning more than 1/3, and all
that. Do you frequently water the beds their in? You can rot
them that way. What's your soil like? Does it drain too quickly
or not quickly enough? When I plant bulbs I like to prepare the soil
deeply so that the soil below the bulbs where some of the roots will be will
be loose too. I fertilize at the time of planting but rarely after,
only because I tend to forget.
If you can share a little more detail about your location &
cultivation, maybe someone could suggest what you might alter &
how.
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
J*@aol.com
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:13
AM
Subject: Lilies
Both of you mentioned lilies that I have grown and
loved but I haven't planted any in 3 years as most never
return. It's depressing. Are there any lilies that people have coming
back for 5 or more years? If so, what kind of situation are they in?
Soil? Light? Do you feed them? Are they planted in cages to deter
rodents? I did hear that some species of lilies are subject to disease but
I haven't had any which did return that looked ill in any
way. Quite a few were, however, smaller than in the previous
year. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
Joanie Anderson
In a message dated 6/12/2011 9:35:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
L canadense never did too well for me;
wimpy, perhaps too much competition. L henryi did better when it
got more sun than it has now; going to have to move him this fall.
Had speciosum probably 20 yrs ago. Don't know what happened to to
it. Keep meaning to get it again. Perhaps this fall. I 've
had the species martagon a couple of times; doesn't seem to stick around
longer than 3 or 4 years? Rodents?
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
g*@netsurfusa.net
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:58
AM
Subject: RE: Help with Special
Plants/ Lilies
Joannie
Some of the lilies I am grown in a bit of shade are L. canadense, L.
speciosum in white and red, superbum in couple of bloom forms, L
pardalinum, several martagons, L. henryii. There are a couple more,
but cannot remember the names just off hand. I keep finding room and
adding a couple each year. Some of them will lean toward the
prevailing light, but that is OK with me. I especially enjoy them
coming up out of some hardy geranium.
Gene E.
Bush
Munchkin Nursery &
Gardens,LLC
www.munchkinnursery.com
Garden Writer -
Photographer - Lecturer
 
From:
owner-perennials@hort.net [mailto:owner-perennials@hort.net] On
Behalf Of Jeaa0088@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help with
Special Plants
Hi,
Gene...just back so am late responding to your interesting list. I'm
going to check these out but a question: as someone else posted, I
mysteriously lose lilies over the winter too...do you? I'd love
to hear more about lilies that do well in some shade as they're a real
fave of mine. Hydrangea relatives? Love to hear more about all when
you have time. Glad those of us in the upper mid-west can stop being
slaves to the garden hose for awhile now. Joanie
Anderson
In
a message dated 6/6/2011 7:05:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
genebush@netsurfusa.net writes:
e new epimedium, of course.
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