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B&D is a great source. I used to get my bulbs there but I tend
toward Van Engelen because my funds are limited.
I had L speciosum Uchida many years ago and would like to have it
again. I may have to buy from B&D to get it but it
would be worth it.
Thanks for the article on disease; it was a good read and easy to
understand.
No I don't own a nursery. I'm a Gene wanna-be but I don't have the
courage or funds to do it. I did run our MG nursery for 9 years
though. I have a plant sale here at my home 2x a year which I started so I
could find homes for all my divisions. This past April was my biggest; I
had almost 1300 pots. I won't do one that big again. Gettin' too
old.
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
J*@aol.com
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:26
AM
Subject: Re: Lilies
Good ideas, Kitty, and thanks. I'm going to start marking the lilies and
digging up failures and spindly ones to see what's what. And I'm going to
try some orienpets as I'm crazy for the dotted lilies. And, head back to L.
speciosum rubrum, which I have always loved too. And tigers.
You mentioned lily viruses so I came across an easy to
understand tutorial w/ i.d. pictures:
BD lilies says you're correct that orientals sprang from L. s. rubrum.
Kitty...do you own a nursery? You're full of good info...thanks a
million!
Joanie Anderson
In a message dated 6/12/2011 7:03:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
Joanie, f you want fragrance, get the trumpets and orienpets.
Trumpet will knock your socks off with fragrance! When they crossed
the orientals with the trumpets, both parents contribute fragrance and you
get an extra chromosome to boot - which is why they're so durable. The
orientals are so lovely, just not dependable for me.
If your clay soil doesn't drain well enough they could rot.
Depending on the size of the planting and how you've amended the planting
hole, there is the possibility of the bathtub effect, again causing
rotting. Next time you plant some, put some sort of marker for
each. If one doesn't come up, dig down to see if it is there. If
it's rotting there'll still be some semblance of a bulb there. If it's
voles or chipmunks there may be nothing or maybe a bunch of loose
scales.
The only experience I've had with rodents getting into my bulbs was the
year I potted a lot of lilies in fall to sell the next spring. I
placed these pots in a different spot than I usually did and some rodent got
into almost all of the pots. They ate only the basal plates and tossed
the scales everywhere. Now when I pot lilies in fall I bag the pots in
big mesh Narcissi bags.
I thought orientals originated with L speciosum Rubrum, but I may be
wrong. I don't believe Tiger lilies (L lancifolium) are
involved. Tiger lilies are very durable and consequently can endure
many viruses that orientals would succumb to.
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
J*@aol.com
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:57
PM
Subject: Re: Lilies
Hi, Kitty. My trouble began when I discovered the orientals, which I
really could never have too many of. My soil is heavy clay and
the lilies are in an area which drains pretty well but that's an
elusive phrase here. I plant the bulbs in
deeply amended soil (compost, peat sometimes and also aged manure
depending on what's in a certain bed), irrigate as needed, no chems, sun
until around 3pm, 1 1/2" leaf mulch or compost mulch, But, I don't
have cats and I do have many dig-to-China chipmunks. And voles and moles.
But they would have eaten the entire bulb as I did not encase them
in wire so even spindly lilies wouldn't have come up. But I also had
quite a few which never appeared again.
You said the Orienpets worked for you. I need to try some of those
and go back to the tigers as well. But the fragrance of an oriental is out
of this world, right up there with lilacs and the rose 'Jacqueline du Pre'
( http://www.dianeseeds.com/files/r_jacqueline_du_pre.jpg).
BTW, does anyone know if the orientals spring from tiger lilies?
They have similar traits. Thanks to anyone who might have some ideas.
In a message dated 6/12/2011 1:50:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
I generally have complete success with lilies until it comes to
shade types. Maybe it's all the tree root competion for moisture
and nutrients. Asiatics and Trumpets are easy; the former
multiplying quickly, the latter getting bigger underground until they
split in two. Orientals, not that good, they tend to be more wimpy
for me. All the hybrids I've tried - Orienpet, A/L hybrids
grow big and healthy. Tiger Lily, Lilium lancifolium spreads like
crazy. Rodents rarely bother them, though that could be because I
was blessed with some wonderful cats over the years. I have some
lilies still that I bought 20 years ago.
Joanie, I assume you're following all the standard cultivation info
for lilies. Exposure, moisture, not pruning more than 1/3, and all
that. Do you frequently water the beds their in? You can rot
them that way. What's your soil like? Does it drain too
quickly or not quickly enough? When I plant bulbs I like to
prepare the soil deeply so that the soil below the bulbs where some of
the roots will be will be loose too. I fertilize at the time of
planting but rarely after, only because I tend to forget.
If you can share a little more detail about your location &
cultivation, maybe someone could suggest what you might alter &
how.
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
J*@aol.com
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:13
AM
Subject: Lilies
Both of you mentioned lilies that I have grown and
loved but I haven't planted any in 3 years as most never
return. It's depressing. Are there any lilies that people have
coming back for 5 or more years? If so, what kind of situation
are they in? Soil? Light? Do you feed them? Are they planted in
cages to deter rodents? I did hear that some species of lilies are
subject to disease but I haven't had any which did return that
looked ill in any way. Quite a few were, however, smaller
than in the previous year. Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
Joanie Anderson
In a message dated 6/12/2011 9:35:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
L canadense never did too well for me;
wimpy, perhaps too much competition. L henryi did better when
it got more sun than it has now; going to have to move him this
fall. Had speciosum probably 20 yrs ago. Don't know what
happened to to it. Keep meaning to get it again. Perhaps
this fall. I 've had the species martagon a couple of times; doesn't
seem to stick around longer than 3 or 4 years? Rodents?
Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:
g*@netsurfusa.net
To: p*@hort.net
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011
5:58 AM
Subject: RE: Help with
Special Plants/ Lilies
Joannie
Some of the lilies I am grown in a bit of shade are L. canadense,
L. speciosum in white and red, superbum in couple of bloom forms,
L pardalinum, several martagons, L. henryii. There are a couple
more, but cannot remember the names just off hand. I keep finding
room and adding a couple each year. Some of them will lean toward
the prevailing light, but that is OK with me. I especially enjoy
them coming up out of some hardy geranium.
Gene E.
Bush
Munchkin Nursery
& Gardens,LLC
www.munchkinnursery.com
Garden Writer -
Photographer - Lecturer
 
From:
owner-perennials@hort.net [mailto:owner-perennials@hort.net] On
Behalf Of Jeaa0088@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help with
Special Plants
Hi,
Gene...just back so am late responding to your interesting list.
I'm going to check these out but a question: as someone else
posted, I mysteriously lose lilies over the winter too...do
you? I'd love to hear more about lilies that do well in some shade
as they're a real fave of mine. Hydrangea relatives? Love to hear
more about all when you have time. Glad those of us in the upper
mid-west can stop being slaves to the garden hose for awhile now.
Joanie Anderson
In
a message dated 6/6/2011 7:05:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
genebush@netsurfusa.net writes:
e new epimedium, of course.
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