RE: metal bottom bed frame

Thanks- now I understand- jsut haven't seen something like that in ages.
But I'll keep looking.

Theresa

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From: owner-perennials@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
Behalf Of Saxton, Susan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:01 AM
To: perennials@hort.net
Subject: RE: metal bottom bed frame


I was afraid it may not be clear.  I'm not sure I'd know what they were
either, had I not SEEN them first.

More cheaply made beds, like for toddlers or youths, don't have a box spring
and mattress.  They have no box spring but just metal bars that run from
side to side of the bed frame -- probably like what you might envision in an
old movie for a hospital bed?  The mattress just sits atop the metal bars.
I have one of these "bed bottoms" that is at least full-bed sized so they
must make them for larger cheap beds, but most of what you'll find will be
for single sized and under.

I suppose they could be from futons?  But I thought those were always wooden
frames.  What do I know?  Anyway, keep your eye out, they work great for
climbing vines or roses.

Hope that helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Theresa- yahoo [t*@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:49 PM
To: perennials@hort.net
Subject: RE: clematis questions


Regarding your longlived trellis material- "iron bottom" of bed- I'm
intrigued, but can' figure out what you are referring to?  Obviously not a
standard bed frame, but???

Thanks in advance for clarifying-

Theresa

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From: owner-perennials@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
Behalf Of Saxton, Susan
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:43 AM
To: perennials@hort.net
Subject: RE: clematis questions


Alyce, you write:  I'll reconsider the placement of the purpurea plena
elegans.  I did note the height when I bought it but your post made me think
about the fullness of viticellas.  I don't want to actually drown my tuteur
in foliage because I have a choice round river rock on top of it for a
finial.

Exactly my point.  Sometimes the structure is as much the "art" of the
garden as the plant.

I grow my purpurea plena this way:  I have a large tomato cage (the 4' type)
over it, it also has to have to 4' stakes on either side of the tomato cage
for support.  I cut it back 2 times, first the usual 1' height in early
spring and then again to have 3' in May or June, to control the size a bit,
and then let it grow up and over the cage, water-fall fashion, into a Silver
King artemesia and some oriental lilies.  It's a nice combination in July
and August, but does require the extra effort of cutting it back in May or
June to control its ultimate size.

Oh!  Would I love to see some photos of your combinations of clematis,

I will send you some privately if you can receive attachments?

plus your types of display supports -- trellis, building, shrub, tuteur,
post, etc.  I use birdhouse posts, plain posts, trellises, tuteurs, (my
tuteurs are homemade

I have a chain link fence around my property which I loathed until I
discovered what a perfect support it is for vines.  But MOSTLY I grow my
clematis through roses and shrubs (which is how they grow naturally).

A few tips you might appreciate:

1. Often I want to grow a clematis through a mature shrub but sometimes the
bed is so crowded or the ground difficult in this area, less than ideal for
clematis.  So I just get a large weather-proof pot and hide it in the bed
between plants at the right location for the clematis to grow into the shrub
while reaching for the strongest sunlight.  Works great.  Basically, it is a
mini-raised bed with optimal growing and watering conditions for the plant
in a tough place.

2. I stumbled across a great, long-lived trellis material: the runged, iron
BOTTOM (where the mattress sits) to toddler or youth beds or any bed that
does not have the standard box spring on the bottom.  I just paint them
green and put them out in the garden against a wall or fence for extra
height.  It will take forever for them to rust and you can't even see them
once the plant is grown up.  I've gotten these free from people getting rid
of them.

Do you have 'Andromeda'?

No, but what a beauty!  I'll keep my eye out for that!

I am really fortunate living in the Pacific Northwest because clematis grows
well here and many people have display gardens.  It is a good chance to see
them "in person" before buying.

Also, if you have a doc file/index of just the names of your clematis,
please send it to me privately ( --warning, this could bring more
questions.)

I do and will get it together for you.

Nice to find another addicted clematarian on the list!

Susan Saxton

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