Re: perennials DIGEST V3 #485
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Hello Susan,
In regard to pink batchelor buttons they are one of my favorites, not to
mention the blue. The name is, if I'm correct, centaurus cyanus.....I'll
send you a picture, if you would like. I enjoy drying the flowers (when I
can bear to pick them) because the colors remain so vivid. I have some that
I picked 4 years ago and the blue color is still beautiful!
Charlotte Zone 7 NC
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Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:29 AM
Subject: perennials DIGEST V3 #485
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>perennials DIGEST Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number
485
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>In this issue:
>
> Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> Re: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> winterizing Z5 beds
> RE: Spring Perennials/ Combinations/ Anemone
> Preying Mantis egg cases pictures
> thermopsis ??
> Re: thermopsis ??
> RE: thermopsis ??
> centaurea hypoleuca
> Re: thermopsis ??
> Re: thermopsis ??
> Chrysothamnus nauseousus or rabbitbrush
> Re: winterizing Z5 beds
> RE: thermopsis ??
> RE: centaurea hypoleuca
> leaf shredders
> Re: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:57:08 -0500
>From: lowery@teamzeon.com
>Subject: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
>
>From: Valerie Lowery@ZEON on 11/08/99 11:57 AM
>
>Margaret you've described them well! A dark blackish-grey in color, just
>like foam rubber. They are attached tightly to the stems, although I've
>also seen them attached to my chain-link fence. They are about an inch to
>an inch and a half long in a cylinder shape.
>
>I don't have a specific web address for them, but I bet you can do a
>search. I found my answer in my daughter's science book.
>
>Val
>zone 6a
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>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:03:18 -0700
>From: margaret lauterbach <mlaute@micron.net>
>Subject: Re: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
>
>At 11:57 AM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Valerie Lowery@ZEON on 11/08/99 11:57 AM
>>
>>Margaret you've described them well! A dark blackish-grey in color, just
>>like foam rubber. They are attached tightly to the stems, although I've
>>also seen them attached to my chain-link fence. They are about an inch to
>>an inch and a half long in a cylinder shape.
>>
>>I don't have a specific web address for them, but I bet you can do a
>>search. I found my answer in my daughter's science book.
>>
>>Val
>>zone 6a
>>
>Mine are tan-colored, Val. They're laid on twigs, raspberry canes, weeds,
>asparagus stalks, buildings, fences, stakes, and barrels. Not on windows or
>the greenhouse, though. I've heard them lay their eggs. No, not shrieking
>or cackling, but it sounds like a weak or nearly spent spray paint can.
>Margaret L
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>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:31:51 -0600
>From: Pat <pattm@execpc.com>
>Subject: winterizing Z5 beds
>
>Barb Wrote:
>Subject: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
>
>>OK, I know there are probably a dozen (at least) different answers to
this.
>>What do you do to protect your perennials over the winter?
>I have been raking my leaves onto my beds but I'm afraid that I may be
>smothering them. I always have things that don't survive. Or could I
>not be
>raking them off early enough in the spring?
>And this year, so many things are still green so I hate to cover them up
>yet.
>Would it be better to mulch the leaves and put them around the plants
>rather
>than actually covering them? Would this hold true in years when
>everything
>is pretty much dead by now?
>
>I'm in your zone and I cover everything with leaves and it works fine.
>This year is particularly hard, since we've had VERY uneven temps.
>We've already had a killing frost here, but today it's s'posed to be 72
>degrees . . . Hard to tell what to do.
>
>I've chopped up all my leaves and dumped them on the gardens. I don't
>cut anything back until spring, so there is green peeking out everywhere
>(even some late phlox blooming - and one lone *snow Lady* daisy
>reblooming). The fact that we haven't had rain for 4 weeks makes me
>think I got the leaves on just in time - to hold in what little moisture
>I have.
>
>I think (and this is my opinion only) that the key is to chop those
>leaves. The oak leaves matte down and keep needed moisture out, and the
>others blow away too easily in the windy conditions we tend to have this
>time of year. Chopping them seems to keep them in place better for me.
>
>By chopping them in the autumn, I don't have to rake them off in the
>spring, either - they are quite nicely composted after oodles of snow
>and spring rains.
>
>YMMV
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>Zone 5 - SE Wisconsin
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:58:48 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: RE: Spring Perennials/ Combinations/ Anemone
>
>Hi Gene,
>
>> Yep... pink.
>
>Uh-oh -- on my list.
>
>I would ask you about the blue you are
>> growing. Is it a blue or a
>> lavender-blue?
>
>Lavender blue. The only truly blue flowers in my garden -- to my eye- are
>morning glories!
>
>Also try the satiny white double called
>> Vestal.
>
>Okay.
>
>Sells well since it blooms
>> on and off all season
>> long dependant upon moisture and heat level.
>
>Yes, mine repeats quite well and there's always enough to share with
>admirers, without it being invasive.
>
>There are two
>> more named selections
>> that I am aware of out there on sylvestris and I am trying to
>> get my hands on
>> those ..... always on sold out..... One is a pink form and
>> the other is a large
>> bloom form.
>
>Have you seen Heronswood's catalogue? I thought they had some I was
>contemplating last year.
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:05:14 -0500
>From: "Dorsett" <dorsett@blueriver.net>
>Subject: Preying Mantis egg cases pictures
>
>> Valerie:
>>
>> Do you know of a web site that clearly shows what the Praying Mantis egg
>> cases look like or can you describe them?
>>
>> Thanks, Joanie
>
> http://www.ento.psu.edu/home/bugBits/jan/WhatInTheWorld.html
>
>Carolina mantis:
> http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/trees/prayegg.gif
>
>Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
> A root is a flower that disdains fame.
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:20:02 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: thermopsis ??
>
>I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe but growing what
>they called an American native, and I believe the name was thermopsis.
>About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up but couldn't
>really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:30:19 EST
>From: Blee811@aol.com
>Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
>
>In a message dated 11/8/99 2:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
>
><< I believe the name was thermopsis.
> About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up but couldn't
> really find any information about it. Can anyone help? >>
>
>Thermopsis caroliniana, I think. I grew it successfully for about 6 years
>and this year it suddenly did not come up again. Not sure why. It's a
nice
>plant with a baptisia like yellow flower. Mine seemed to be more 3' than
2'.
> And early summer/late spring bloom. It also formed a lot of seed pods,
but
>none every germinated. I'd buy it again if I saw it locally.
>
>Bill Lee
>Z6a Cincinnati
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:52:01 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: RE: thermopsis ??
>
>Does it like hot/dry or cool/shade -- I got the feeling it wanted hot and
>dry. I loved the yellow lathrys-like flowers. Any fragrance? How long
>does it bloom? What color are the pods?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blee811@aol.com [B*@aol.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:30 AM
>> To: perennials@mallorn.com
>> Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/8/99 2:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
>>
>> << I believe the name was thermopsis.
>> About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
>> but couldn't
>> really find any information about it. Can anyone help? >>
>>
>> Thermopsis caroliniana, I think. I grew it successfully for
>> about 6 years
>> and this year it suddenly did not come up again. Not sure
>> why. It's a nice
>> plant with a baptisia like yellow flower. Mine seemed to be
>> more 3' than 2'.
>> And early summer/late spring bloom. It also formed a lot of
>> seed pods, but
>> none every germinated. I'd buy it again if I saw it locally.
>>
>> Bill Lee
>> Z6a Cincinnati
>>
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:23:12 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: centaurea hypoleuca
>
>Only read about it. Any comments? I believe it's a pink form of perennial
>batchelor buttons.
>
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:48:34 EST
>From: Blee811@aol.com
>Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
>
>In a message dated 11/8/99 2:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
>
><< Does it like hot/dry or cool/shade -- I got the feeling it wanted hot
and
> dry. I loved the yellow lathrys-like flowers. Any fragrance? How long
> does it bloom? What color are the pods? >>
>
>===>I had it hot and rather dry, on the edge of a daffodil bed where I
added
>no supplemental summer water. Never noticed a fragrance. Blooms were
>neither short nor long lasting particularly and I think it varied with how
>hot it was at the time. (Hotter weather/shorter bloom time).
>
>The pods were brown.
>
>Bill Lee
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:07:53 -0600
>From: "lbarrett@cyberhighway.net" <lbarrett@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
>Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
>
>Here in central Idaho we have Thermopsis montana, a common wildflower.
>Linda, Idaho, Zone 5
>
>At 11:20 AM 11/8/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe but growing
what
>>they called an American native, and I believe the name was thermopsis.
>>About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up but couldn't
>>really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
>>
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:12:31 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: Chrysothamnus nauseousus or rabbitbrush
>
>I'd love to hear what anyone has to say about this plant. New to me but I
>love the foliage. Kind of like a ferny artemesia.
>
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>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:20:48 -0600
>From: Barb Pernacciaro <bpern@idcnet.com>
>Subject: Re: winterizing Z5 beds
>
>To Barb down in Illinois-
>
>I'm up here in Wisconsin and have varied success with mulching so am no
expert.
>I've spent most of my time trying (usually in vain) to get tea roses and
>border-line perennials through the winter. In this particular area, we have
had
>two relatively (for us) mild winters and I've had good survival on the
touchy
>things like Buddleia.
>
>For the roses, I use rose cones with the tops cut off stuffed with chopped
>leaves, and the individual perennials get a little mound of compost, only
about
>2 inches and 2 more inches of chopped leaves. BUT - all this goes on after
the
>ground has frozen. (Sometimes I've been out in December in a couple inches
of
>snow doing this). I've always thought the idea of winter mulch around here
was
>to keep the ground safely frozen until spring was truly here and to avoid
the
>freeze-thaw cycle that breaks roots and heaves plants out of the ground.
>Freezing and thawing can occur even in January when we get a "January
thaw".
>Another thing I have done in the past is to spray things like rose canes
and
>other woody things with an anti-dessicant - I suspect the cold, drying
winds in
>my yard are responsible for some plant deaths!
>
>Winters can be awful - when we get day after day of 20+ below zero, I'm not
>surprised to lose things - there's not much one can do about severe cold.
And
>worse, the huge puddle that forms in the middle of the yard in the spring
before
>the frost is out of the ground - a skating rink which I am glad to see
drain
>away suddenly overnight and then I know the frost is out of the ground. And
>today, two and a half weeks from Thanksgiving, we also made it to 70
degrees.
>Weird?
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>SE Wisconsin, Zone 4
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:25:31 -0800
>From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
>Subject: RE: thermopsis ??
>
>Hi Linda,
>
>Can you tell me more about the plant?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lbarrett@cyberhighway.net
>> [l*@mailhost.cyberhighway.net]
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:08 PM
>> To: perennials@mallorn.com
>> Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
>>
>>
>> Here in central Idaho we have Thermopsis montana, a common wildflower.
>> Linda, Idaho, Zone 5
>>
>> At 11:20 AM 11/8/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> >I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe
>> but growing what
>> >they called an American native, and I believe the name was
>> thermopsis.
>> >About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
>> but couldn't
>> >really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
>> >
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>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:36:43 -0800
>From: "Marilyn Dube" <maridube@teleport.com>
>Subject: RE: centaurea hypoleuca
>
>Hi Susan, Yes, it is a large very fluffy, very double bachelor button -
hot
>pink - very pretty. Perennial, full sun, protect from slugs. They will
>walk right over the top of the Hostas to get at it here in the nursery.
>AARRGHHH! It is very charming grown with Nepeta and Baptisia.
>Marilyn Dube'
>Natural Design Plants
>Hardy Perennials, Choice Tropicals
>Portland, OR Zone 8b
>
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>Behalf Of Saxton, Susan
>Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:23 PM
>To: 'perennials'
>Subject: centaurea hypoleuca
>
>Only read about it. Any comments? I believe it's a pink form of perennial
>batchelor buttons.
>
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>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:42:07 -0800
>From: "H. Robinson" <robyn@icx.net>
>Subject: leaf shredders
>
>All the leaf shredders I have seen are too slow for oak leaves up to
>your knees. We tried but the lawnmower is is faster and by next fall
>will have wonderful mulch for all the beds, especially the daffodils and
>ferns.
>
>Nancy East Tennessee 6b
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>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:42:02 CST
>From: "Nancy Lowe" <nlowe@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
>
>Valerie said:
>
>>
>>One other thing to remember is what plants you can cut back in the fall
and
>>which ones prefer a trimming in the spring. Some have hollow stems and
>>water from the winter will collect, freeze, and destroy the plant.
>
>_____________________-
>I think I've heard you (or someone on the list) mention this before. I've
>been wondering which plants to cut back. So, as a rule of thumb, do you
>think anything with hollow stems should be left alone until spring?
>
>I have a new bed with some form of a salvia and agastache that are looking
>rather sad by now. The salvia has new growth starting at the base. I
don't
>mind leaving some plants to provide some winter structure to my beds, but
>bare sticks poking up don't excite me much ;-)
>
>We're having the same weird weather as everyone else. Supposed to be close
>to 80 tomorrow. I planted a flat of pansies yesterday, hope it isn't too
>hot for them!
>
>Nancy Lowe
>Arkansas, zone 7
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