RE: perennials DIGEST V3 #485
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- From: S* S*
- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:33:04 -0800
I'd love to see them and find out when you pick them for drying.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Bedsole [s*@m-y.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:31 PM
> To: perennials@mallorn.com
> Subject: Re: perennials DIGEST V3 #485
>
>
> Hello Susan,
>
> In regard to pink batchelor buttons they are one of my
> favorites, not to
> mention the blue. The name is, if I'm correct, centaurus
> cyanus.....I'll
> send you a picture, if you would like. I enjoy drying the
> flowers (when I
> can bear to pick them) because the colors remain so vivid. I
> have some that
> I picked 4 years ago and the blue color is still beautiful!
>
> Charlotte Zone 7 NC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: perennials DIGEST <perennials-owner@mallorn.com>
> To: perennials-digest@mallorn.com <perennials-digest@mallorn.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:29 AM
> Subject: perennials DIGEST V3 #485
>
>
> >
> >perennials DIGEST Monday, November 8 1999 Volume
> 03 : Number
> 485
> >
> >
> >
> >In this issue:
> >
> > Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> > Re: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> > winterizing Z5 beds
> > RE: Spring Perennials/ Combinations/ Anemone
> > Preying Mantis egg cases pictures
> > thermopsis ??
> > Re: thermopsis ??
> > RE: thermopsis ??
> > centaurea hypoleuca
> > Re: thermopsis ??
> > Re: thermopsis ??
> > Chrysothamnus nauseousus or rabbitbrush
> > Re: winterizing Z5 beds
> > RE: thermopsis ??
> > RE: centaurea hypoleuca
> > leaf shredders
> > Re: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> >
> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:57:08 -0500
> >From: lowery@teamzeon.com
> >Subject: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> >
> >From: Valerie Lowery@ZEON on 11/08/99 11:57 AM
> >
> >Margaret you've described them well! A dark blackish-grey
> in color, just
> >like foam rubber. They are attached tightly to the stems,
> although I've
> >also seen them attached to my chain-link fence. They are
> about an inch to
> >an inch and a half long in a cylinder shape.
> >
> >I don't have a specific web address for them, but I bet you can do a
> >search. I found my answer in my daughter's science book.
> >
> >Val
> >zone 6a
> >
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:03:18 -0700
> >From: margaret lauterbach <mlaute@micron.net>
> >Subject: Re: Preying Mantis' Egg Cases
> >
> >At 11:57 AM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: Valerie Lowery@ZEON on 11/08/99 11:57 AM
> >>
> >>Margaret you've described them well! A dark blackish-grey
> in color, just
> >>like foam rubber. They are attached tightly to the stems,
> although I've
> >>also seen them attached to my chain-link fence. They are
> about an inch to
> >>an inch and a half long in a cylinder shape.
> >>
> >>I don't have a specific web address for them, but I bet you can do a
> >>search. I found my answer in my daughter's science book.
> >>
> >>Val
> >>zone 6a
> >>
> >Mine are tan-colored, Val. They're laid on twigs, raspberry
> canes, weeds,
> >asparagus stalks, buildings, fences, stakes, and barrels.
> Not on windows or
> >the greenhouse, though. I've heard them lay their eggs. No,
> not shrieking
> >or cackling, but it sounds like a weak or nearly spent spray
> paint can.
> >Margaret L
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:31:51 -0600
> >From: Pat <pattm@execpc.com>
> >Subject: winterizing Z5 beds
> >
> >Barb Wrote:
> >Subject: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
> >
> >>OK, I know there are probably a dozen (at least) different
> answers to
> this.
> >>What do you do to protect your perennials over the winter?
> >I have been raking my leaves onto my beds but I'm afraid
> that I may be
> >smothering them. I always have things that don't survive.
> Or could I
> >not be
> >raking them off early enough in the spring?
> >And this year, so many things are still green so I hate to
> cover them up
> >yet.
> >Would it be better to mulch the leaves and put them around the plants
> >rather
> >than actually covering them? Would this hold true in years when
> >everything
> >is pretty much dead by now?
> >
> >I'm in your zone and I cover everything with leaves and it
> works fine.
> >This year is particularly hard, since we've had VERY uneven temps.
> >We've already had a killing frost here, but today it's
> s'posed to be 72
> >degrees . . . Hard to tell what to do.
> >
> >I've chopped up all my leaves and dumped them on the
> gardens. I don't
> >cut anything back until spring, so there is green peeking
> out everywhere
> >(even some late phlox blooming - and one lone *snow Lady* daisy
> >reblooming). The fact that we haven't had rain for 4 weeks makes me
> >think I got the leaves on just in time - to hold in what
> little moisture
> >I have.
> >
> >I think (and this is my opinion only) that the key is to chop those
> >leaves. The oak leaves matte down and keep needed moisture
> out, and the
> >others blow away too easily in the windy conditions we tend
> to have this
> >time of year. Chopping them seems to keep them in place
> better for me.
> >
> >By chopping them in the autumn, I don't have to rake them off in the
> >spring, either - they are quite nicely composted after oodles of snow
> >and spring rains.
> >
> >YMMV
> >- --
> >Pat Mitchell
> >pattm@execpc.com
> >Zone 5 - SE Wisconsin
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:58:48 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: RE: Spring Perennials/ Combinations/ Anemone
> >
> >Hi Gene,
> >
> >> Yep... pink.
> >
> >Uh-oh -- on my list.
> >
> >I would ask you about the blue you are
> >> growing. Is it a blue or a
> >> lavender-blue?
> >
> >Lavender blue. The only truly blue flowers in my garden --
> to my eye- are
> >morning glories!
> >
> >Also try the satiny white double called
> >> Vestal.
> >
> >Okay.
> >
> >Sells well since it blooms
> >> on and off all season
> >> long dependant upon moisture and heat level.
> >
> >Yes, mine repeats quite well and there's always enough to share with
> >admirers, without it being invasive.
> >
> >There are two
> >> more named selections
> >> that I am aware of out there on sylvestris and I am trying to
> >> get my hands on
> >> those ..... always on sold out..... One is a pink form and
> >> the other is a large
> >> bloom form.
> >
> >Have you seen Heronswood's catalogue? I thought they had some I was
> >contemplating last year.
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:05:14 -0500
> >From: "Dorsett" <dorsett@blueriver.net>
> >Subject: Preying Mantis egg cases pictures
> >
> >> Valerie:
> >>
> >> Do you know of a web site that clearly shows what the
> Praying Mantis egg
> >> cases look like or can you describe them?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Joanie
> >
> > http://www.ento.psu.edu/home/bugBits/jan/WhatInTheWorld.html
> >
> >Carolina mantis:
> >
> http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/trees/prayegg.gif
> >
> >Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
> > A root is a flower that disdains fame.
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:20:02 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: thermopsis ??
> >
> >I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe
> but growing what
> >they called an American native, and I believe the name was
> thermopsis.
> >About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
> but couldn't
> >really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:30:19 EST
> >From: Blee811@aol.com
> >Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
> >
> >In a message dated 11/8/99 2:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
> >
> ><< I believe the name was thermopsis.
> > About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
> but couldn't
> > really find any information about it. Can anyone help? >>
> >
> >Thermopsis caroliniana, I think. I grew it successfully for
> about 6 years
> >and this year it suddenly did not come up again. Not sure
> why. It's a
> nice
> >plant with a baptisia like yellow flower. Mine seemed to be
> more 3' than
> 2'.
> > And early summer/late spring bloom. It also formed a lot
> of seed pods,
> but
> >none every germinated. I'd buy it again if I saw it locally.
> >
> >Bill Lee
> >Z6a Cincinnati
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:52:01 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: RE: thermopsis ??
> >
> >Does it like hot/dry or cool/shade -- I got the feeling it
> wanted hot and
> >dry. I loved the yellow lathrys-like flowers. Any
> fragrance? How long
> >does it bloom? What color are the pods?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Blee811@aol.com [B*@aol.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:30 AM
> >> To: perennials@mallorn.com
> >> Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/8/99 2:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >> SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
> >>
> >> << I believe the name was thermopsis.
> >> About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
> >> but couldn't
> >> really find any information about it. Can anyone help? >>
> >>
> >> Thermopsis caroliniana, I think. I grew it successfully for
> >> about 6 years
> >> and this year it suddenly did not come up again. Not sure
> >> why. It's a nice
> >> plant with a baptisia like yellow flower. Mine seemed to be
> >> more 3' than 2'.
> >> And early summer/late spring bloom. It also formed a lot of
> >> seed pods, but
> >> none every germinated. I'd buy it again if I saw it locally.
> >>
> >> Bill Lee
> >> Z6a Cincinnati
> >>
> >>
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:23:12 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: centaurea hypoleuca
> >
> >Only read about it. Any comments? I believe it's a pink
> form of perennial
> >batchelor buttons.
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:48:34 EST
> >From: Blee811@aol.com
> >Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
> >
> >In a message dated 11/8/99 2:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >SSaxton@Schwabe.com writes:
> >
> ><< Does it like hot/dry or cool/shade -- I got the feeling
> it wanted hot
> and
> > dry. I loved the yellow lathrys-like flowers. Any
> fragrance? How long
> > does it bloom? What color are the pods? >>
> >
> >===>I had it hot and rather dry, on the edge of a daffodil
> bed where I
> added
> >no supplemental summer water. Never noticed a fragrance.
> Blooms were
> >neither short nor long lasting particularly and I think it
> varied with how
> >hot it was at the time. (Hotter weather/shorter bloom time).
> >
> >The pods were brown.
> >
> >Bill Lee
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:07:53 -0600
> >From: "lbarrett@cyberhighway.net"
> <lbarrett@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> >Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
> >
> >Here in central Idaho we have Thermopsis montana, a common
> wildflower.
> >Linda, Idaho, Zone 5
> >
> >At 11:20 AM 11/8/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >>I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe
> but growing
> what
> >>they called an American native, and I believe the name was
> thermopsis.
> >>About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
> but couldn't
> >>really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
> >>
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:12:31 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: Chrysothamnus nauseousus or rabbitbrush
> >
> >I'd love to hear what anyone has to say about this plant.
> New to me but I
> >love the foliage. Kind of like a ferny artemesia.
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:20:48 -0600
> >From: Barb Pernacciaro <bpern@idcnet.com>
> >Subject: Re: winterizing Z5 beds
> >
> >To Barb down in Illinois-
> >
> >I'm up here in Wisconsin and have varied success with
> mulching so am no
> expert.
> >I've spent most of my time trying (usually in vain) to get
> tea roses and
> >border-line perennials through the winter. In this
> particular area, we have
> had
> >two relatively (for us) mild winters and I've had good
> survival on the
> touchy
> >things like Buddleia.
> >
> >For the roses, I use rose cones with the tops cut off
> stuffed with chopped
> >leaves, and the individual perennials get a little mound of
> compost, only
> about
> >2 inches and 2 more inches of chopped leaves. BUT - all
> this goes on after
> the
> >ground has frozen. (Sometimes I've been out in December in a
> couple inches
> of
> >snow doing this). I've always thought the idea of winter
> mulch around here
> was
> >to keep the ground safely frozen until spring was truly here
> and to avoid
> the
> >freeze-thaw cycle that breaks roots and heaves plants out of
> the ground.
> >Freezing and thawing can occur even in January when we get a "January
> thaw".
> >Another thing I have done in the past is to spray things
> like rose canes
> and
> >other woody things with an anti-dessicant - I suspect the
> cold, drying
> winds in
> >my yard are responsible for some plant deaths!
> >
> >Winters can be awful - when we get day after day of 20+
> below zero, I'm not
> >surprised to lose things - there's not much one can do about
> severe cold.
> And
> >worse, the huge puddle that forms in the middle of the yard
> in the spring
> before
> >the frost is out of the ground - a skating rink which I am
> glad to see
> drain
> >away suddenly overnight and then I know the frost is out of
> the ground. And
> >today, two and a half weeks from Thanksgiving, we also made it to 70
> degrees.
> >Weird?
> >- --
> >Barb P.
> >SE Wisconsin, Zone 4
> >
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:25:31 -0800
> >From: "Saxton, Susan" <SSaxton@Schwabe.com>
> >Subject: RE: thermopsis ??
> >
> >Hi Linda,
> >
> >Can you tell me more about the plant?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lbarrett@cyberhighway.net
> >> [l*@mailhost.cyberhighway.net]
> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:08 PM
> >> To: perennials@mallorn.com
> >> Subject: Re: thermopsis ??
> >>
> >>
> >> Here in central Idaho we have Thermopsis montana, a common
> wildflower.
> >> Linda, Idaho, Zone 5
> >>
> >> At 11:20 AM 11/8/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >I was watching Victory Garden Sat. and they were in Europe
> >> but growing what
> >> >they called an American native, and I believe the name was
> >> thermopsis.
> >> >About 2' tall with yellow flowers. I tried to look it up
> >> but couldn't
> >> >really find any information about it. Can anyone help?
> >> >
> >>
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> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:36:43 -0800
> >From: "Marilyn Dube" <maridube@teleport.com>
> >Subject: RE: centaurea hypoleuca
> >
> >Hi Susan, Yes, it is a large very fluffy, very double
> bachelor button -
> hot
> >pink - very pretty. Perennial, full sun, protect from
> slugs. They will
> >walk right over the top of the Hostas to get at it here in
> the nursery.
> >AARRGHHH! It is very charming grown with Nepeta and Baptisia.
> >Marilyn Dube'
> >Natural Design Plants
> >Hardy Perennials, Choice Tropicals
> >Portland, OR Zone 8b
> >
> >- -----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-perennials@mallorn.com
> [owner-perennials@mallorn.com] On
> >Behalf Of Saxton, Susan
> >Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:23 PM
> >To: 'perennials'
> >Subject: centaurea hypoleuca
> >
> >Only read about it. Any comments? I believe it's a pink
> form of perennial
> >batchelor buttons.
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:42:07 -0800
> >From: "H. Robinson" <robyn@icx.net>
> >Subject: leaf shredders
> >
> >All the leaf shredders I have seen are too slow for oak leaves up to
> >your knees. We tried but the lawnmower is is faster and by next fall
> >will have wonderful mulch for all the beds, especially the
> daffodils and
> >ferns.
> >
> >Nancy East Tennessee 6b
> >
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> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:42:02 CST
> >From: "Nancy Lowe" <nlowe@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: Winterizing Z5 (IL) perennial beds?
> >
> >Valerie said:
> >
> >>
> >>One other thing to remember is what plants you can cut back
> in the fall
> and
> >>which ones prefer a trimming in the spring. Some have
> hollow stems and
> >>water from the winter will collect, freeze, and destroy the plant.
> >
> >_____________________-
> >I think I've heard you (or someone on the list) mention this
> before. I've
> >been wondering which plants to cut back. So, as a rule of
> thumb, do you
> >think anything with hollow stems should be left alone until spring?
> >
> >I have a new bed with some form of a salvia and agastache
> that are looking
> >rather sad by now. The salvia has new growth starting at
> the base. I
> don't
> >mind leaving some plants to provide some winter structure to
> my beds, but
> >bare sticks poking up don't excite me much ;-)
> >
> >We're having the same weird weather as everyone else.
> Supposed to be close
> >to 80 tomorrow. I planted a flat of pansies yesterday, hope
> it isn't too
> >hot for them!
> >
> >Nancy Lowe
> >Arkansas, zone 7
> >
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