http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/apr97/msg00066.html http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/jun97/msg00166.html And you can find more by going to the Pumpkin Mailing list search engine http://www.mallorn.com/lists/pumpkins/search.cgi I used the word Australian -- Duncan McAlpine, Federal Way, WA m*@eskimo.com Why buy plants when you can grow them yourself.....? http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/ http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/pumkin.html