Re: Hybrid Vigor
typo.. Black 884 (not 720) X Andersen 815 = Elsbree 720... Forgive me Mark...
Lyle Rockwell wrote:
> Beth,
> Here is a goood case to support your theory. The Erb 806 was grown from a
> Holland 879 which was pollenated by the Elsbree 720. The Erb 806 was an orange
> fruit, good sized.. The male pollinator was the Elsbree 720, which was a Black
> 720 crossed with my Andersen 815 plant in 1998. At the time, we all had no clue
> the ANdersen 815 would throw squash, but it did.
> I am heading in this direction. Jim Kuzma grew the Erb 806, which was a nice
> orange pumpkin, keep in mind, but since the grandfather (as you so called it)
> was the Andersen 815, it threw squash in the second generation. The first
> generation from the male pollen of the Andersen 815 was used to create the
> Elsbree 720 and that pumpkin too was of good orange color. Comprendez?
>
> Beth Rado wrote:
>
> > Ray,
> >
> > I for one am very interested in all the genetics ideas people have. I'd be
> > grateful if you'd post to the list.
> >
> > That's a very interesting theory about the Checkons' pumpkins and hybrid
> > vigor and sterility.
> >
> > Forgive me for not knowing the lineage of all these pumpkins off the top of
> > my head, but when you talk about "parents", what exactly are you looking at?
> > If you are talking about the (mother) plant and the (father) pollinator,
> > then I will be confused. If you are talking about one generation up, then
> > I'm okay, i.e., the (maternal) grandparents.
> >
> > I thought the pollinator, which is the "father" most of us think about on
> > these pumpkins, has no genetic impact on the developing fruit - that the
> > purpose of the pollinator was to achieve maximal pollination, hence maximal
> > production of the growth hormones released by the developing seeds, but its
> > genetic traits won't show up until those seeds are grown.
> >
> > My belief was that the "mother", the plant the fruit is growing on, provides
> > all the genetic material for that fruit, and so the genetic "mother" and
> > "father" would be the maternal grandparents. Please correct me if I'm
> > wrong.
> >
> > So then, does your theory about nearly mutually exclusive genetics hold up
> > if you look at the "parents" of the 935 and 815 (did I get those right as
> > the female parents of the 1131 and 1190??)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > >...the biggest pumpkins ever grown, the Checkon 1130 and 1191. The fact
> > >that the parents of these pumpkins have little or no common link leads me
> > >to believe that their backgrounds are significantly different.... but
> > >didnt both pumpkins produce sterile seed, or no seed at all?
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