Re: Green Genes

Jordan: Are you saying that the green gene shouldn't be part of Pumpkin Growing, are you saying pumpkin
in reality is not a Squash, with a different color that appears to be more popular at the present time & we should
kill the maker of the pumpkin. I thought world war 2 put a end to that thinking the color of ones eye's mattered. Sorry ! I disagree.

At 04:19 PM 12/19/00 , you wrote:
>     Mr Eaton is on to something.  We can now know which seeds carry the
>recessive gene for green.  It may be a coinincidence that the 821 Stellflug
>90 is in pedigrees.  We do know that whatever pumpkin it crossed with that
>all the offspring became carriers for the green gene.  Now these hybrids
>that are heterzygous for the green gene may have carried on or been snuffed
>out.  If we want to get rid of the green gene all one has to do is no longer
>use green gened seeds and/or stop using seeds that we know carry the gene in
>secret.  Mr Eaton knows that the seeds that produced his green monster both
>are carriers and no longer using those parents will help to eliminate the
>green gene from giant pumpkin growing.
>
>
>>From: "The Eatons" <eatrich@magma.ca>
>>Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>>To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>>Subject: Green Genes
>>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:58:00 -0500
>>
>>Lyle--I drew a pedigree and your example is perfect.To go a step
>>further,look at the parents of the 815 Andersen 97,the pedigree of each
>>parent contains the famous "821 Stellflug 90" World Record Squash.
>>
>>It is 6 generations from the Jim Kuzma squash of 2000 back to the 821
>>Stellpflug squash of 1990 and there is not one green AG in between.
>>
>>I had an example in my own garden this year of a plant producing dark green
>>fruit,in that case it was seven generations without a green one.But back 7
>>generations it was the "821 Stellpflug 90",which supplied 1/4 of the genes
>>to the 697 Ciliberto 94 seeds.
>>
>>Those recessive green genes can appear when we least expect it,especially
>>when 2 plants containing the green genes are crossed,which is the case in
>>both examples above.
>>
>>Not only did the 821 make a big impression 10 years ago,but it still does.
>>
>>Perhaps somebody with knowledge of genetics can add to this commentary---AE
>>
>>*****************************
>>Beth,
>>     Here is a goood case to support your theory. The Erb 806 was grown
>>from
>>a
>>Holland 879 which was pollenated by the Elsbree 720. The Erb 806 was an
>>orange
>>fruit, good sized.. The male pollinator was the Elsbree 720, which was a
>>Black
>>720 crossed with my Andersen 815 plant in 1998. At the time, we all had no
>>clue
>>the ANdersen 815 would throw squash, but it did.
>>     I am heading in this direction. Jim Kuzma grew the Erb 806, which was
>>a
>>nice
>>orange pumpkin, keep in mind, but since the grandfather (as you so called
>>it)
>>was the Andersen 815, it threw squash in the second generation. The first
>>generation from the male pollen of the Andersen 815 was used to create the
>>Elsbree 720 and that pumpkin too was of good orange color. Comprendez?
>>
>>Beth Rado wrote:
>>
>> > Ray,
>> >
>> > I for one am very interested in all the genetics ideas people have.  I'd
>>be
>> > grateful if you'd post to the list.
>> >
>> > That's a very interesting theory about the Checkons' pumpkins and hybrid
>> > vigor and sterility.
>> >
>> > Forgive me for not knowing the lineage of all these pumpkins off the top
>>of
>> > my head, but when you talk about "parents", what exactly are you looking
>>at?
>> >   If you are talking about the (mother) plant and the (father)
>>pollinator,
>> > then I will be confused.  If you are talking about one generation up,
>>then
>> > I'm okay, i.e., the (maternal) grandparents.
>> >
>> > I thought the pollinator, which is the "father" most of us think about
>>on
>> > these pumpkins, has no genetic impact on the developing fruit - that the
>> > purpose of the pollinator was to achieve maximal pollination, hence
>>maximal
>> > production of the growth hormones released by the developing seeds, but
>>its
>> > genetic traits won't show up until those seeds are grown.
>> >
>> > My belief was that the "mother", the plant the fruit is growing on,
>>provides
>> > all the genetic material for that fruit, and so the genetic "mother" and
>> > "father" would be the maternal grandparents.  Please correct me if I'm
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > So then, does your theory about nearly mutually exclusive genetics hold
>>up
>> > if you look at the "parents" of the 935 and 815 (did I get those right
>>as
>> > the female parents of the 1131 and 1190??)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Beth
>> >
>> > ----Original Message Follows----
>> > >...the biggest pumpkins ever grown, the Checkon 1130 and 1191.  The
>>fact
>> > >that the parents of these pumpkins have little or no common link leads
>>me
>> > >to believe that their backgrounds are significantly different....   but
>> > >didnt both pumpkins produce sterile seed, or no seed at all?
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Thanks,
Bill Van Iderstine
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 862 lbs.
http://aggc.1wh.com/aggc.asp
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