Re: Christmas Gift Seed in a hurry!

ALL of this....Just for offering some pumpkins seeds for sale.
Come on people wake up !!    Do you REALLY CARE if Ray sells seeds ?   I
don't !  If fact I have PURCHASED some from him in the past and will do
so in the future..Who Cares  ??   This is crazy!!!!

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:26:20 -0800 "Tanner, Gordon L"
<Gordon.Tanner@PSS.Boeing.com> writes:
>Rocky,
>
>I guess some people will always have big a ego and think that they are 
>better than others, especially because they did something sometime.  
>Everybody knows that Ray has done a lot for this hobby/sport.  But now 
>everybody (on the list, at least) knows that Ray is rude, and self 
>centered.  Its a thing called attitude.  Most every one on this group 
>has a great one, is extra friendly and helpful to old and new alike.  
>Unfortunately Ray doesn't fit into this category.  Apparently he 
>thinks that 'we' owe him something because of what HE has done in the 
>past, because HE was one of the first, because HE didn't like the 
>direction the sport was going so HE started his own organization, and 
>because of something HE did.   Maybe Ray saw this as a business 
>opportunity and he is upset because it didn't turn out that way, that 
>the list hurts his business opportunities.  It seems like he gets mad 
>at others when things don't got his way, like a spoiled child.  Sorry 
>Ray, grow up, that is called!
>!
> life.  I don't see anyone else acting that way, even the ones who 
>have tried to make some money at this.  Certainly not any of the 
>current Heavy Hitters, or those who write books or put out videos, or 
>who run the list, or who put up web sites, or offer their seeds, or 
>even the man who started it all, Howard Dill.  I will mention a few 
>Chris Anderson, George Brooks, Don L. , Duncan McAlpine, The Hollands, 
>The LaRues, Farmer Gus, Wayne Hackney, etc...  I could list 20 more 
>people and still leave someone out.  For me personally, you, (Rocky) 
>have done more to help me in my efforts than Ray ever has or will- why 
>? because you are a nice guy, because you have a good attitude, 
>because you shared with me your ideas and thoughts, your wep page, 
>etc... and expected nothing in return.  From my point of view you 
>offered him the olive branch, (it certainly not the other way around) 
>even though you didn't think you did or said anything wrong.  Then 
>knocked the olive branch out your hands !
>!
>and stepped on it, told you off, spit in your face and walked away.  
>From what I have observed, Ray would never think that he did anything 
>wrong let alone give an apology just to make peace even if didn't 
>think he did anything wrong.  
>In my book your hundred times the man that Ray is.
>
>Merry Christmas to all including Ray,  and especially Peace to you Ray 
>!!! 
> 
>Just my opinion.
>
>Gordon Tanner
>Maple Valley WA
>
>
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>Hey,
>    Ray .......... I told you I was sorry you jerk... I guess that 
>want good
>enough. I tried to be nice,, I tried to be apologetic,.....But that 
>isnt good
>enough for you.. I dont give a hoot if they boot me off this list 
>anymore.. I dont
>have nayone... regardless if they are Ray Waterman, or 
>whomever.....Just by my
>participation in the sport, makes me important enough to not be 
>treated like you
>have in the past three emails.. You refer to me as a blow hard, you 
>refer to me as
>a non contributor, you refer to me as the guy who took the hobbie away 
>from what
>is was supposed to be(where the heck was that one coming from? To me, 
>it was
>ruined when prize money was introduced years ago,, which I am assuming 
>you cantake
>credit for that too.. that was where the problem starts my good 
>friend... )Well, I
>did apologize, I did tell you I was sorry, but thatmust not be good 
>enough  for
>the almight Ray Waterman.......  Enjoy your hobbie, because according 
>to you, it
>is "your" hobby, and no one elses.. Sheesh.. Just because you have 
>beengrowing,
>and you have been developing Atlantic Giants for years, does not make 
>you the only
>authority inthe hobby/sport. Yes, you have done a great service to 
>this sport, and
>to that I am thankful.. But dont tell me I do not belong.. Oh that is 
>right... It
>is Ray Waterman's world, and we are all just paying rent.. thats 
>right.. I
>forgot..
>
>To the list, I apologize with all my heart.. I was goingto sedn this 
>directly to
>Ray, but I felt his email was aired to you, and I wanted to respond 
>with my
>feelings. After all, I did apologize... but I guess that wasnt good 
>enough to the
>KING OF GIANT PUMPKIN GROWERS.. Ray... you are not alone.. there are 
>many ..
>
>Rocky
>
>LGOURD@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> Who sets the standards?  Do you know that I exposed the secret so 
>that all can
>> trade or sell the "Atlantic Giant"?  How much have you contributed 
>to the
>> sport hobby?  Nobody said the forum was for gratus, the same as all 
>my efforts
>> developing this sport/hobby on a worldwide basis have come to 
>statements such
>> as your prior one!  You know, you could do a lot more.  Its guys 
>like you that
>> took pumpkin growing away from the good thing we had with the WPC 
>years back.
>> Other newer organizations which are supposed to be good for pumpkin 
>growing
>> don't even support the sport/hobby!  I don't think it will ever be 
>like that
>> again and that is sad!  Sometimes I wonder why I even check the 
>list???  Oh
>> yes, there are still good people out there with big pumpkins to grow 
>and that
>> keeps me in it.  Gee, thats why I started the WPC.
>>
>> Merry Christmas
>>
>> Ray Waterman  - giant pumpkin grower since 1979
>> 
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