Re: Why the 567.5??
Thanks Rick for commenting!! always enjoy your comments. I really respect you
efforts and projects and am 100% behind you. So don't ever give up!! Going to
play the devils advocate here to stir up some thought. Here is the area I don't
get . In the past when ever I have replanted seed from a F1 hybrid the offspring
would go back looking like one parent or the other . It is very interesting that
the 575 D.A.G is in the background of two of our most famous seed stars the
Mombert, and the 827 holland. Heres the part I don't get if we have declared that
every seed is unique in it gene code. isn't possible that the Mombert seed and
Laemmle were the best of their batches. And going back to recreate would be
somewhat tough.? Would perhaps a selfed Mombert that is huge be a better bet.???
growing out those seeds and picking the best and selfing on and on (you would have
to include selection) Momberts have been selfed and abandoned because there
wasn't an instant bomber. So its up to you Rick to go the distance. I am too
much of a whimp and want instants sucess to take on such an endeaver. Another
aspect that I think about is if one is to believe that DAgs are evolving those
benefits wouldn't be found going back. Yet most plant bioligists suggest that
you go back to the sucessful parents. So if this is true perhaps we are wrong
with some of our assumptions......maybe the seed isn't evolving at all......but
the grower , his techniques and selection. .................brock
Richard Noffke wrote:
> I've got a theory for you on this one! Over the last little while a good deal
> of talk has taken place about hybrid vigor among AG's. Now I realize that
> there are many different and equally valid opinions on this matter, but its my
> theory that the M567 is a perfect example of what a true to type F1 hybrid
> cross can do for the pumpkin world. Although its not a perfect case, it does
> afford and example of two very unrelated lines that were crossed and
> consistently produced good genetic potential. The Laemmle 609 is a good
> example of an inbred line that a plant breeder might maintain. Helmut Laemmle
> got some seed from an unknown source in the early 80's. Each year he grew a
> few plants and kept seeds from the best one, and so on untill 89'.
>
> It just so happened that this cross was the lucky cross, and there was some
> degree of hybrid vigor. And yes there are people working on "recreating" this
> cross and other super-productive crosses like it.
>
> Despite the fact that there are as many different theories about pumpkin
> genetics as there are growers in the world, the day will come when every grower
> can plant a seed every year that is as good as or better than the M567!
>
> Rick - Wisconsin
>
> Vickie Brock wrote:
>
> > Anyone speculate why the 567.5 mombert was soooo sucessful and others
> > aren't. I heard the "only good growers planted it theory " sure..... there
> > must be more hunches . .......was the seed background (which I know is a
> > dead end) closer to purity than seeds are today. Was it the pure lines of
> > the Dill 493 and 355? Was the Laemmle a selfed pumpkin. Can someone
> > recreate it.??
> >
> > Does anyone think that some seeds do better strictly in the female role and
> > vice versa with the some doing better on the male
> > side??......................MB
> >
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