Re: Overlooked seeds?
I have to chime in here.. I grew the Lloyd 935, and the tips on my main
and allot of the secondaries blew out, better described by saying it
looked like a rabbit had taken a clean sweep cut on it, but usually hung
by a thread when I came home. I attribute this to tremendous plant vigor
and soil that could be high in certain things such as nitrogen. Plants
can only build the cells at a certain rate, something which we push to
the limit.
I had 2 plants in the same patch, and the 935 blew all the tips, while
the 815 did not, but did give me stem splits. Maybe my soil was over
prepared, but soil tests gave me normal readings. Blowing tips is a
thing we are going to have to deal with if we continue to push the AG to
its limits. In years past we have dealt with such problems that seemed
new like ribbon and flat vines, and blowing tips is just another we can
add to the list. How to prevent it? Maybe not be as aggressive with the
fertilizers if we notice the blowing tips, but that is just a semi
educated guess.
If you want to see a blown tip, check out this pic on the PGPGA web
site, the tip that is blown is all the way to the right, and you can see
the stringee remnants of the blown tip. Yeah.. it was a silver bullet
plant , I culled allot of fruit from this plant. you will know what I
mean..
http://www.pgpga.com/silverbullet.jpg
The pic shows the vine, and the tip usually is just dangling from that
little stringee thing.. almost like a clean cut vine, but with the
effects of an exploding cigar!!
giambra@iwon.com wrote:
>
> one more thing - it broke like celery - not all the way through, so that
> I was able to keep it together with dirt each time and it would keep growing.
> I hope that make sense.
>
> connie
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> >wind?
> >
> >giambra@iwon.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I grew the 862 last year - strange things happened. It kept blowing
> the
> >> main vine. By blowing I mean it kept breaking. At first I thought I
> >must
> >> have been clumsy and kicked it or something, but it happened at least
> >five
> >> times. I finally gave up with the main and grew two smaller ones on
> secondaries.
> >>
> >> connie giambra
> >> S.Rafael,CA
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >>
> >> >Bill,
> >> >
> >> >Sounds like a good seed, would you like to swap seeds.
> >> >
> >> >andrew
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Bill VanIderstine
> >> > To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:25 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Overlooked seeds?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > andrew : I think the 862 VanIderstine if you can keep it together,
> >mine
> >> >stem split at 420 lbs
> >> > & the 751 VanIderstine are two sleepers. Reg Noonan grew both this
> >year,
> >> >862 planted too late
> >> > & 751 pumpkin , I thought he should go with but he choose the 762
> Smith
> >> >again re measurments
> >> > & was again beaten by two smaller pumpkins. I believe it would have
> >been
> >> >a different story had
> >> > he faith in a heavy weighing line. May not have beat Peter but sure
> >as
> >> >hell would have trimmed
> >> > Elayne. These two havn't had their day yet. The breeding is there,
> >only
> >> >the grower is missing.
> >> > That's the opion from here. Bill Van
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 08:17 PM 1/23/01 , you wrote:
> >> > >Let's keep this topic going. Another sleeper is the 991 hunt. I had
> >> a
> >> > >pumpkin on the 991 hunt this year, I pollinated on the 25th of june
> >> and
> >> >was
> >> > >an estimated 700 pounds when it cracked on the first of august.Very
> >> fast
> >> > >growing plant that was the third pumpkin on the main 14 ft out. But
> >> had
> >> >a
> >> > >very large blossom scar and that's were it split. The walls were
> 14
> >> inches
> >> > >thick in the middle and thicker at the stem but only two inches right
> >> >in the
> >> > >middle of the blossom scar. My mother also grew one from the 991
> hunt.
> >> >She
> >> > >pollinated on July 7th and after mine split she didn't fertilize
> very
> >> >much
> >> > >maybe twice in the last two months and still manage to grow a 879.8
> >> (tarp
> >> > >weight included) or 876 without. I will be planting this one this
> >year.
> >> > >
> >> > >andrew
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Andrew Papez" <apapez@home.com>
> >> > >To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:57 PM
> >> > >Subject: Re: Overlooked seeds?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> Chris
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Another overlooked seed I think that has huge potential is the
> 678
> >> > >> Ciliberto. Saw the results in D. Haegans patch and her pumpkin
> matured
> >> >in
> >> > >> mid August and sat there losing weight for a month and a half.
> Still
> >> > >weighed
> >> > >> 946 pounds.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> andrew
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > >> From: "Michalec, Chris" <cmicha@chmc.org>
> >> > >> To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> >> > >> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:56 PM
> >> > >> Subject: RE: Overlooked seeds?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi John,
> >> > >> > Great topic for this time of year. There are so many seeds
> >out
> >> >there
> >> > >> that
> >> > >> > look as if they have never been tried as you review them in the
> >> AGGC.
> >> > >> > (Thanks Mike, Al, and all their helpers.) There are probably
> >of
> >> >number
> >> > >of
> >> > >> > seeds with great potential that haven't been given a fair shake.
> >> > So
> >> > >many
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> > us look to see what has produced for others before we make our
> >choices.
> >> > >A
> >> > >> > number of seeds that probably would be great may only show a
> few
> >> > >mid-sized
> >> > >> > offspring because they haven't been planted by the heavy hitters
> >> >and
> >> > >given
> >> > >> > the best chance to maximize their potential, and were grown by
> >beginners
> >> > >> or
> >> > >> > folks who are still trying to get the hang of this. Others never
> >> >get
> >> > >> > planted at all as people wait for someone else to prove that
> the
> >> > >potential
> >> > >> > is there. I can think of two that haven't been mentioned that
> >probably
> >> > >> have
> >> > >> > good potential.
> >> > >> > The 812 LaRue 97 Produced the 758.5 and 815.5 Baird a couple
> >years
> >> > >ago,
> >> > >> > and either hasn't been planted since or it's offspring haven't
> >made
> >> >it
> >> > >> into
> >> > >> > the database or to a weighoff. The other is the 871 Richart
> 97
> >> that
> >> > >Jake
> >> > >> > VanKooten in B.C.has done so well with, growing a 764 in 98 and
> >> a
> >> >942
> >> > >with
> >> > >> > it last year. Those are the only two offspring from that pumpkin
> >> >that
> >> > >are
> >> > >> > noted in the database. Seeing Jake's 942 last year made a believer
> >> >out
> >> > >of
> >> > >> > me and I will be planting the one 871 seed I have this spring.
> >> > >> > I think a lot of potential exists in many of these untried
> and
> >> >under
> >> > >> > utilized seed lines. I just wish I had the time and space to
> >give
> >> >more
> >> > >of
> >> > >> > them a chance. You don't need to spend a lot of money chasing
> >this
> >> > >years
> >> > >> > darlings to grow your best yet. Most of us have probably already
> >> > >acquired
> >> > >> > the seeds we need to do that. You just have to give them a chance,
> >> >it
> >> > >may
> >> > >> > even come from one from your own patch.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Chris Michalec
> >> > >> > Covington, WA
> >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> > > From: John Failor [SMTP:buckeye5@bright.net]
> >> > >> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:44 AM
> >> > >> > > To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
> >> > >> > > Subject: Overlooked seeds?
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Hello to all,
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Recently I was browsing through the AGCC database and I
> >was
> >> >struck
> >> > >> by
> >> > >> > > just how many seeds are there and I wonder how many of them
> >have
> >> > >really
> >> > >> > > gotten a fair shake. With all those seeds there is way to give
> >> >them
> >> > >all
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> > > real shot and it is a better bet to plant proven seeds. After
> >> > >all,seeds
> >> > >> > > are a crape shot as it is but still I have to wonder if there
> >> isn't
> >> >a
> >> > >> > > juggernaut hiding in there somewhere just waiting to be discovered
> >> >and
> >> > >> > > take off. After all the top seeds are hard to come by and
> >maybe
> >> >we
> >> > >> will
> >> > >> > > find the next top seed.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I would like to get the group's feedback on this subject
> >and
> >> >maybe
> >> > >> > > some seeds they think are undiscovered monsters.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Here are some that I think might be:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Brock 685
> >> > >> > > Wray 738
> >> > >> > > Welty 809
> >> > >> > > Sproule 952
> >> > >> > > McCallum 566
> >> > >> > > and first generation 825 Shymanski offspring. (The 801 Stelts
> >> can't
> >> >be
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > > only one with such stellar genetics).
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Then again I could be wrong but look at the example of
> the
> >> >903
> >> > >> > > Holland. It was grown in 97 and after its first year no one
> >grew
> >> >a
> >> > >huge
> >> > >> > > pumpkin with it and people lost interest but this year out
> >of
> >> > no
> >> > >where
> >> > >> > > Joel Holland grew a 808, 967 and 1026 with it. I bet it will
> >get
> >> >more
> >> > >> > > attention this year!
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Any thoughts?
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > John
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >
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> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Bill Van Iderstine
> >> > P.E.I. Record Holder @ 862 lbs.
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