RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24

Tad here,

I have been reading these imails and have been trying to keep up with the language. 

Is there a web site that can explain what the Number and Names of these pumpkins mean?

Thanks 

Tad / pack 819




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pumpkins DIGEST          Monday, July 5 2004          Volume 01 : Number 024



In this issue:

        Re: Pollination
        Pollination
        RE: Pollination
        Re: Pollination
        THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER
        Re: Pollination

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Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:15:02 EDT
From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pollination

  Martin
 You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll over 
on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to make them into 
wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally. 
  A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along 
with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much time in 
the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we enjoyed 
looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. I just like the 
variations of looks on the pumpkins.
  Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw 
the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later Bob 
called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in Shock it went from 
Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny plant.. Go 
figure...

  OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of pumpkins 
in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at?
 What is your favorite for vine maintenance?
Favorite for color ?? 

  Ok that should get us going !!!! 
OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 inches 
higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made the stem stay 
right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I like that !! 

 So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem 
straight down..
 Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 703* and Bob Troys 
797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on the ground! If you want picks 
of what I mean I can send them to you...
  And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE GREEN 
ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!! 

I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home patch on 
there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 Gregory.. You 
never know what is desirable! take care and I wish everyone a Happy and Healthy 
Fourth of July !!! 

    Kevin Smith 
  Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:28:00 -0800
From: "kathie morgan" <fishrap@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pollination

Kevin,
Did you see the Future Farmer pumpkin grown last year, beautiful WW shape? I asked the FF grower, and he said it rolled over on its stem, pushing the stem into the ground. Right up to harvest, he said, he didn't know that he had a sound pumpkin. He did, and what a figure! In a previous post, you suggested pollinating everything on the main with the same male so as to eliminate that one variable when culling time begins. I never thought of the male as being so important that one would base a culling decision on it. Can someone explain to me WHY it's important, unless you're growing seeds to sell? Thanks! Kathie
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>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>Subject: Re: Pollination
>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 11:15 AM
>

>   Martin
>  You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll 
> over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to 
> make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally.
>   A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel 
> along with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not 
> spent much time
in
> the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we 
> enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. 
> I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins.
>   Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over 
> and saw the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few 
> weeks later Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I 
> was in Shock it went
from
> Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny 
> plant.. Go figure...
>
>   OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of 
> pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at?  What is 
> your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??
>
>   Ok that should get us going !!!!
> OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 
> inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made 
> the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I 
> like that !!
>
>  So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem 
> straight down..  Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like 
> my 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right 
> on the ground! If you want
picks
> of what I mean I can send them to you...
>   And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE 
> GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!
>
> I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home 
> patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 
> Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish 
> everyone a Happy and
Healthy
> Fourth of July !!!
>
>     Kevin Smith
>   Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:33:40 -0400
From: "Doug Adams" <onedude@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pollination

Kevin,
I would like to see those pictures.
Thanks,
Doug

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From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf Of Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:15 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Re: Pollination


  Martin
 You opened up an interesting subject. I have never had a pumpkin roll over on its stem on its own. I have put pumpkins on there stems to make them into wagon wheels but have never seen it naturally.
  A few years ago Chris Gregory grew his 730 that was a wagon wheel along with a 600 EST he said it was due to the fact that he had not spent much time in the patch when they were developing but as Bob Troy I will tell you we enjoyed looking at those allot more then the regular pumpkins he had. I just like the variations of looks on the pumpkins.
  Bob Troy a few years ago was growing a 801 Stelts and I went over and saw the little plant that was WAY behind the rest and just a few weeks later Bob called up and said it had blown apart at 525 lbs... I was in Shock it went from Baseball size to a wagon wheel to BOOM in just weeks on a tinny plant.. Go figure...

  OK here is the Question for your growers that have seen allot of pumpkins in your day what Shape is your favorite to look at?  What is your favorite for vine maintenance? Favorite for color ??

  Ok that should get us going !!!!
OH I have also grown pumpkins on inclines so that the Blossom was 4 inches higher then the stem and on the 703* that I tried it on it made the stem stay right on the ground I never did any vine maintenance.. I like that !!

 So for shape my favorite to look at is the Wagon wheel with the stem straight down..  Favorite stem position for vine maintenance is like my 703* and Bob Troys 797 high round wagon wheel with the stem right on the ground! If you want picks of what I mean I can send them to you...
  And last favorite color ....... Man that is hard I REALLY LOVE THE GREEN ONES but Bob Troys 654 is my favorite pumpkin of ALL TIME !!!

I will be setting at least two pumpkins for competition in my home patch on there stems this year probably on my Mystery seed and my 345 Gregory.. You never know what is desirable! take care and I wish everyone a Happy and Healthy Fourth of July !!!

    Kevin Smith
  Pumpkin Pirate ! ................Still waiting for Baby............
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:54:15 EDT
From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pollination

Kathie 
You Wrote...
In a previous post, you suggested pollinating everything on the main with the same male so as to eliminate that one variable when culling time begins. I never thought of the male as being so important that one would base a culling decision on it. Can someone explain to me WHY it's important, unless you're growing seeds to sell?
  Kathie come on you know this game as well as I do !!! I plan all winter as 
to the pumpkins I am growing to fit around my crosses. if we didn't care about 
the pollination then we would let everything just go open pollination !! if 
you had been planning a pollination for the whole winter say you had a 935 
Lloyd and you crossed one female with the 865 Mettler, one with the 703 Smith* one 
with the 600.5 Gregory and one with the 895.5 Hester* just because you didn't 
plan your pollination's well ahead of time. well now you have to decide all 
the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS you don't want a chance 
to have a green offspring but it is growing fastest so there goes the 895.5, 
OOPS but the 703* is green also and it has best shape. now we are down between 
the 600.5 and the 865 ... well the 865 will produce seeds that have a Higher 
potential for people to grow if it turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723 
and 845 are the same cross ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain ..... 
see what you have created ..... yes, a Mess !!! so simplify and enjoy what we 
are doing !!! Got it !!! take care and have a wonderful season!

    Kevin Smith 
 Squash Buckler !!!    Still waiting !!! 
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:31:48 +0100
From: "DAVID ASMAN" <kingdavid1.uk@btopenworld.com>
Subject: THE BABY IS GETTING BIGGER

HI all from rainy UK (Southampton)

Last monday I polinated a Reiss 534 x Colbert1043 thursday it was a golf ball today it is a soccer ball and perfectly round.

I have a Bhaskaran 756 which I hope to polinate with the Reiss, both of these vines are really good and sturdy with leaves 25 inches wide and the deapest green I have ever seen, if the weather gets warmer I will have great hopes.

David Asman
Pumpkin Limey
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:06:39 -0800
From: "kathie morgan" <fishrap@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pollination

Kevin,
Say I grow the 935 Lloyd, and I pollinate the first blossom w/ the 703 Smith, the second blossom w/ the 1335 Daletas, the third w/ the 1105 Stucker and the 4th w/ the 943 Brock. If each of the sister blossoms is allowed to live, very unlikely, so what if each of them is married to a different guy? How likely is it that you'll be growing seeds from ANY of the four? If you are selling your seeds (or planting only your own seeds and no one else's), I can see how you'd want to control the characteristics within each of the seeds. But if you are growing for competition, and swapping seeds like most of us, why would you care whether the offspring of the #1 above, the 935 Lloyd/703 Smith cross, turned green? Still wondering. Soon to be Honorary Aunt Kathie, the left handed wench
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>From: Pumpkinpirate1@aol.com
>To: pumpkins@hort.net
>Subject: Re: Pollination
>Date: Sun, Jul 4, 2004, 12:54 PM
>

> now you have to decide all
> the factors involved with choosing a pumpkin and OOPS you don't want a 
> chance to have a green offspring but it is growing fastest so there 
> goes the 895.5, OOPS but the 703* is green also and it has best shape. 
> now we are down between the 600.5 and the 865 ... well the 865 will 
> produce seeds that have a Higher potential for people to grow if it 
> turns out to be a big pumpkin since the 723 and 845 are the same cross 
> ... so I would want the 865 cross to remain
End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #24
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