RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
- Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
- From: S* J* <c*@optonline.net>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:45:25 -0400
Here is another less destructive but completely off-label & therefore
illegal chemical treatment I've used:
Merit 75WSP: 1 tsp per gallon in a watering can
OR
Better & faster: Safari 20SG 1 tsp per gallon in a watering can
Add a very small quantity of soluble fertilizer to enhance translocation
then drench the vine & leaves before & after the grub. Safari kills them in
minutes. Merit might take a day or two.
Obviously the resulting fruit cannot be used for consumption nor sold due
worker re-entry interval & days to harvest laws. Beats cutting the vine open
regardless.
Stephen Jepsen
CT GS&PGA Director Emeritus
GPC Executive Committee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Steve Haberman
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:00 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
If you don't have anything to lose, I have done the following. Slit the
vine lenghth wise with a sharp knife about a foot and a half from the base.
You will see the Devil's Spawn grubs as you go. Pick em out or lance them
with the knife. Bury the vine with WET soil. It may root for you and keep
them going long enough to count. If they die, they die. They are going to
anyway if infected with SVB.
Next year spray from the 1st week in June until August 7.
Don't worry, I've had it happen to me my first year.
Steve Haberman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Richard Briggs
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:34 AM
To: pumpkin
Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
Hi Everybody,
Rolled a couple of mine over for better position, luckily no stem snapping
problems yet. More of the SVB vine death problem though. I guess I sprayed
too late but I still keep hoping they'll come back.
I did have the perfect imprint of a 'possum bite on one of the big ones, and
a Racoon scrape on one of the other big ones out back. Not a real problem
yet but I do have a no-kill trap in case relocation is necessary. Otherwise
my better half's Grandmother (past on last year at the ripe old age of 100,
God rest her soul) passed down a good racoon and possum recipe. I did
remember her saying that 'Possum was a little greasy though. She's also got
a good recipe for Groundhog in case anybody's interested.
I've got to check the huntin' season on all those. I suspect I'm outta luck
unless I want a fine (or a possible divorce.) I could stand the fine, but
divorce I'm not to keen on.
Actually- just kidding about the hunting part (not the divorce part) but
Grams did pass the recipes down for future generations.
It seems the Racoons have been busy trying to get the birdseed out of the
feeder- an unintended distraction away from the AG's. I might have to use
this method more to my advantage.
I DO need to get some tarps over mine. I've been working out of town and
haven't got them placed yet. The weather's been unseasonably cool in St.
Louis so I've been lucky but August may shape up to be a little warmer??
Thanks everybody for all the good tips for us newbies,
Rich Briggs in St. Louis
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:01:06 -0400
> From: pumpkins-owner@hort.net
> To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
> Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
>
>
> pumpkins DIGEST Wednesday, July 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number
075
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
> Re: The Raccoon Thread
> Re: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
> RE: The Raccoon Thread
> RE: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
> Re: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
> Shading Pumpkins
> Re: Shading Pumpkins
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:25:49 -0700
> From: "Jim" <Jimfire@Jps.Net>
> Subject: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
>
> Rats.
>
> The night after I wrote and asked about my pumpkin that was sitting on
> it's stem, it decided to roll over on it's own and snap the stem.
>
> I'm now down to two pumpkins, and based on tomorrow's measurements,
> I'm going to be down to one.
>
> Who has a good source on liquid fertilizer online? My local stores
> don't seem to carry anything any good.
>
> Also - I'm looking for a good fertilizing schedule to get this thing big.
> What are you pro's out the doing? How do you apply it, and what are
> you using?
>
>
> Jim
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:34:33 -0400
> From: Bridgette Antoinette Tojek <honeybempowered@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: The Raccoon Thread
>
> no one likes to kill critters, I never want to remove something from
> the food chain but I am even more disgusted with picking up a carcass-
> I lost 5 more birds last night.
> I am not offended in the least, just trying to point out the other
> side because Americans that actually utilize critical thinking skills
> are in short supply
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Stephen Jepsen
<ctpumpkin@optonline.net>wrote:
>
> > YIKES! I thought that was a personal email that came from Wayne
> > specifically to me. I too am sorry if I offended anyone especially
> > Alan who I know
hates
> > killing critters. LOL
> >
> > Stephen Jepsen
> > CT GS&PGA Director Emeritus
> > GPC Executive Committee
> > Tel (914) 260-7176
> > Fax (206) 203-2397
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf Of Stephen Jepsen
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:10 PM
> > To: pumpkins@hort.net
> > Subject: RE: The Raccoon Thread
> >
> > Alan Reynolds was offended but that's just Alan. He cries when a
> > bird
flies
> > into his window. LOL
> >
> > I used to compost the raccoons & squirrels on the edge of the patch
> > then turn them in the following season.
> >
> > We're at the top of the food chain for a damn good reason & I have
> > no intention of giving that pole position to a pumpkin killing varmint.
> >
> > Don't worry about Alan. We're good friends but I'll stand up to him
> > any day.
> > LOL
> >
> > Stephen Jepsen
> > CT GS&PGA Director Emeritus
> > GPC Executive Committee
> > Tel (914) 260-7176
> > Fax (206) 203-2397
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf Of wsmpeace
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:35 PM
> > To: pumpkins@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: The Raccoon Thread
> >
> > Steve, Hopefully no ONE was offended, !!! Everyone has to do, what
> > they have
> >
> > to do!!!! I got out grampa's 410 a couple weeks back, and am 5 for 5!!!
> > Peace, Wayne
> > PS...GROW 'EM BIG!!!!! Dammmmmnnnnndabunnies!!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Minor" <minok2014@yahoo.com>
> > To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:03 PM
> > Subject: The Raccoon Thread
> >
> >
> > > I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my remarks about killing raccoons.
I
> > > was
> > > responding to a question about pests damaging AGs, and like
> > > spraying
for
> > > insects before they appear, you have to be proactive in managing
mammals
> > > before they damage crops. I've gone the catch and release route
> > > for
many
> > > years, and I've realized I'm just giving my problems to someone
> > > else unless I transport varmints to the middle of a national
> > > forest, which contributes to greenhouse gases every time I drive
> > > to do it, yadda, yadda yadda.
> > >
> > > If I can control a pest without killing it, that's great. If I
> > > can't, then the forum is here to share ideas and solutions to
> > > problems. For many
of
> > > us,
> > > raccoons are a pest like rats or mice, cucumber beetles or squash
> > > bugs because of the damage they do, and controlling them usually
> > > means killing them.
> > To
> > > quote the late Walter Cronkite: "And that's the way it is."
> - --
> Bridgette Antoinette Tojek
> www.i-tang-o.com
> The Angel whispers serenity,and the echo is peace.
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:34:46 -0400
> From: Jordan Rivington <jordan.rivington@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Jim <Jimfire@jps.net> wrote:
>
> > Rats.
> >
> > The night after I wrote and asked about my pumpkin that was sitting
> > on
it's
> > stem, it decided to roll over on it's own and snap the stem.
> >
> > I'm now down to two pumpkins, and based on tomorrow's measurements,
> > I'm going to be down to one.
> >
> > Who has a good source on liquid fertilizer online? My local stores
> > don't seem to carry anything any good.
> >
> > Also - I'm looking for a good fertilizing schedule to get this thing
big.
> > What are you pro's out the doing? How do you apply it, and what are
> > you using?
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd]
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:22:18 -0400
> From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
> Subject: RE: The Raccoon Thread
>
> Do you mean mame? Just poking fun! You are entitled to your opinion
> and theories! I used to trap with my brother after school. We made good
money.
> Dad taught us to ALWAYS run the line twice a day in order to be as
> humane
as
> possible. When I administer a case of lead poisoning to the pests, I
> do it as humanely as possible. I don't kill by choice, it is a neccessary
evil.
> For the rest of you scauflaws, I am forwarding your mails admitting
> state wildlife infractions to the authorities! You can't beat me with
> your pumpkins if you are all locked up!
> Live and let Live.....unless it is a stinkin varmit.
>
> Steve Haberman
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of mastrpumkn@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:06 AM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: The Raccoon Thread
>
> It's Alan!? Here's my reply. Yes, I have a greenhouse on the side of
> my home in CT. It was killing birds left and right as the flew around
> the
house
> into the glass. I cut and installed lattice on the inside of the windows.
> Still let the light in, but looked to small to the birds to fly through
it.
> So, I figured it has saved a lot of birds life's. Does anyone remember
> the TV show that had that kid learning the ways of the Masters? They
> had a saying for fighting.? Never kill if you can mane, never mane if
> you can
just
> injure, never injure if you can walk away. I just won't kill by
> choice. If there is any other option, I think it should be pursued.
> "There but for the grace of God go I " ...and, "I won't draw blood
> over a pumpkin."? I've trapped so many I can't count. I've lost a lot
> of pumpkins, but I feel I made the right decision. Think of the song,
> Man in the mirror. (Micheal
> Jackson) If you don't know it. Get it and play it. I have no trouble
> with what I see.
>
> ? ? ? Alan Reynolds??? FL, CT
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Jepsen <ctpumpkin@optonline.net>
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38 pm
> Subject: RE: The Raccoon Thread
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> YIKES! I thought that was a personal email that came from Wayne
specifically
> to me. I too am sorry if I offended anyone especially Alan who I know
> hates killing critters. LOL
>
> Stephen Jepsen
> CT GS&PGA Director Emeritus
> GPC Executive Committee
> Tel (914) 260-7176
> Fax (206) 203-2397
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Jepsen
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:10 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: RE: The Raccoon Thread
>
> Alan Reynolds was offended but that's just Alan. He cries when a bird
> flies into his window. LOL
>
> I used to compost the raccoons & squirrels on the edge of the patch
> then turn them in the following season.
>
> We're at the top of the food chain for a damn good reason & I have no
> intention of giving that pole position to a pumpkin killing varmint.
>
> Don't worry about Alan. We're good friends but I'll stand up to him
> any
day.
> LOL
>
> Stephen Jepsen
> CT GS&PGA Director Emeritus
> GPC Executive Committee
> Tel (914) 260-7176
> Fax (206) 203-2397
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of wsmpeace
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:35 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: The Raccoon Thread
>
> Steve, Hopefully no ONE was offended, !!! Everyone has to do, what
> they
have
>
> to do!!!! I got out grampa's 410 a couple weeks back, and am 5 for 5!!!
> Peace, Wayne
> PS...GROW 'EM BIG!!!!! Dammmmmnnnnndabunnies!!!
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Minor" <minok2014@yahoo.com>
> To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:03 PM
> Subject: The Raccoon Thread
>
>
> > I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my remarks about killing
> > raccoons. I was responding to a question about pests damaging AGs,
> > and like spraying for insects before they appear, you have to be
> > proactive in managing mammals before they damage crops. I've gone
> > the catch and release route for many years, and I've realized I'm
> > just giving my problems to someone else unless I transport varmints
> > to the middle of a national forest, which contributes to greenhouse
> > gases every time I drive to do it, yadda, yadda yadda.
> >
> > If I can control a pest without killing it, that's great. If I
> > can't, then the forum is here to share ideas and solutions to
> > problems. For many of us, raccoons are a pest like rats or mice,
> > cucumber beetles or squash bugs because of the damage they do, and
> > controlling them usually means killing them.
To
> > quote the late Walter Cronkite: "And that's the way it is."
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:26:29 -0400
> From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
> Subject: RE: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
>
> I know of a couple of great fertilizers we and our coleagues use
> commercially around here. But if I tell you about them, I will have to
> kill you........humanely.
>
> Monty's Joy Juice. Growth then root and bloom after fruit set. Their
> carbon product works well too for plot prep.
> Sorry, I really can't share my Ace mixture though.
>
> Steve Haberman
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:26 AM
> To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
> Subject: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
>
> Rats.
>
> The night after I wrote and asked about my pumpkin that was sitting on
> it's stem, it decided to roll over on it's own and snap the stem.
>
> I'm now down to two pumpkins, and based on tomorrow's measurements,
> I'm going to be down to one.
>
> Who has a good source on liquid fertilizer online? My local stores
> don't seem to carry anything any good.
>
> Also - I'm looking for a good fertilizing schedule to get this thing big.
> What are you pro's out the doing? How do you apply it, and what are
> you using?
>
>
> Jim
>
> -
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve Minor <minok2014@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
>
> Bummer, Jim. I started to have that problem, got a bag of sand and
> shored
the
> AG up AFTER I severed the tap roots in both directions. A lot of
> praying, swearing, and sweat went into saving that pumpkin, and I
> learned that it's best to put the sand or foamboard or whatever down
> when the AG is grapefruit-sized. Steve.
>
> - --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jim <Jimfire@Jps.Net> wrote:
>
> From: Jim <Jimfire@Jps.Net>
> Subject: Snapped stems. Fertilizer.
> To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:25 AM
>
> Rats.
>
> The night after I wrote and asked about my pumpkin that was sitting on
> it's stem, it decided to roll over on it's own and snap the stem.
>
> I'm now down to two pumpkins, and based on tomorrow's measurements,
> I'm going to be down to one.
>
> Who has a good source on liquid fertilizer online? My local stores
> don't seem to carry anything any good.
>
> Also - I'm looking for a good fertilizing schedule to get this thing big.
> What are you pro's out the doing? How do you apply it, and what are
> you using?
>
>
> Jim
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve Minor <minok2014@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Shading Pumpkins
>
> I helped to blow my AG last year by not shading it and overdosing on
> potassium. This year I am NOT overdosing on potassium and shading my AGs.
My
> question is, in this, my second year of attempting a BIG one, how much
shade
> is too much shade? How much of the plant can you shade before you
> flatline it? Pumpkin and how many feet around it? Thanks. Steve.
> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:19:21 -0500
> From: "George & Carolyn Heyne" <gheyne@millcomm.com>
> Subject: Re: Shading Pumpkins
>
> I use four 6' posts and stretch a 6'x8' tarp between the posts. The
> tarp is at an angle to allow the rain to run off. I tie the tarp to
> the post with electrical ties. Sometimes I will put a tarp on a side
> where too much sun is still on the pumpkin. No matter how you shade
> your pumpkin, you want plenty of ventilation around your pumpkin.
>
> George Heyne
> Rochester, MN
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Minor" <minok2014@yahoo.com>
> To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:41 PM
> Subject: Shading Pumpkins
>
>
> >I helped to blow my AG last year by not shading it and overdosing on
> >potassium. This year I am NOT overdosing on potassium and shading my
AGs.
> > My
> > question is, in this, my second year of attempting a BIG one, how
> >much shade is too much shade? How much of the plant can you shade
> >before you
flatline
> > it? Pumpkin and how many feet around it? Thanks. Steve.
> End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #75
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