Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #584
- Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #584
- From: D* S* <d*@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
What state are you in? I can bring my fiddle, my guitar, and my mandolin. We
need to write a great bluegrass song about raising pumpkins! Want to
collaborate on that Steve? Something between "Home Grown Tomatoes," and "Dead
Skunk in the Middle of the Road." How 'bout:
"Dead Pumpkin Rotting in the Middle of the Patch, Covered with Powdery
Mildew," or
"There's a Squash Bug on my Pumpkin, and a Cuke Beetle on my Vine,
Sweetie has a Corvette, but the Pumpkin Patch is Mine."
cheers,
duchess of gladstone
--- On Tue, 7/27/10, pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net> wrote:
From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #584
To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:35 PM
pumpkins DIGEST Tuesday, July 27 2010 Volume 01 : Number 584
In this issue:
RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #582
RE: Neem Oil
Re: Neem Oil
Re: fruit placement vs. vine
fruit placement vs. vine
Re: Neem Oil
Re: fruit placement vs. vine
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:35:52 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #582
I always wondered if you could put chunks in a still. Pumpkin whiskey
anyone? You bring the truckload of pies Duchess. I'll have the cocktails and
the bluegrass band!
Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Diana Sigel
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:16 PM
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #582
Hooray for Steve! I'm no old pro at this giant pumpkins stuff, this is just
my second year, but last year when people asked me if you could eat them, I
said, "Heck, no! There's enough poison in and on these babies to kill
anything except cucumber beetles!" However, if you need a recipe for a
900-lb. pumpkin:
900 single pie crust shellos
225 dozen eggs
84.38 gallons milk
450 pounds sugar
18.75 pounds cinnamon
18.75 pounds ginger
9.38 pounds nutmeg
4.68 pounds cloves
9.38 pounds salt
Bake a really long time. Serves 5400 to 7200 people. Tope with whipped
cream
(28 gallons before whipping).
cheers,
duchess of gladstone
- --- On Tue, 7/27/10, pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net> wrote:
From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #582
To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1:35 AM
pumpkins DIGEST Tuesday, July 27 2010 Volume 01 : Number 582
In this issue:
Neem Oil
Re: Powdery Mildew
RE: Powdery Mildew
RE: Powdery Mildew
Re: Neem Oil
Re: cuke beetles
Re: Neem Oil
Re: cuke beetles
Re: cuke beetles
Re: cuke beetles
Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
Re: Powdery Mildew
Re: cuke beetles
Re: cuke beetles
Re: Neem Oil
RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
Re: cuke beetles
Re: Heavy rains
Re: Heavy rains
Re: Powdery Mildew
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:27:25 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: Neem Oil
Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not typically
eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
experience and opinion.
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:42:06 +0000
From: <rstokes@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Powdery Mildew
Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet to controlling powdery mildew.
There
a lot of chemicals that will help control PM. The problem is that most AG
growers are limited by what they can buy and how affordable it is. Also,
the
spray equipment has to be able to apply the chemical(s) in an efficient
manner. That is why the top growers use equipment that can fog or mist in
order to get complete coverage. Here is a link that I think you will find
of
value:
http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/NewsArticles/Cuc_Cntct_Fcides.htm
I use Daconil as a preventative and have had pretty good results.
- - ---- Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net> wrote:
> Ron, I believe that 70% Neem Oil will help.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Fine <RonFineEsq@earthlink.net>
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:59:03 AM
> Subject: Powdery Mildew
>
> Dear list,
>
> Are there any systemic products to prevent or control powdery mildew? I
live
> close to the ocean in Los Angeles, CA and we get a lot of moisture during
the
> nights. And, we have had an unusual spring and summer of cloudy, damp
> weather. I have several pumpkins growing but my plants are being wiped
out
> by powdery mildew. I have tried to use several types of sprays but I
can't
> keep up with the spread and it is very difficult to get to the bottom of
the
> leaves. I'm afraid that this year my pumpkins will not make it. Any
> suggestions??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Fine
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:30:05 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: Powdery Mildew
Thanks for the link. I need all the help I can get for fungi......on my
pumpkins that is.
Steve Haberman
- - -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
rstokes@wi.rr.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:42 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Cc: Debbie Runkle
Subject: Re: Powdery Mildew
Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet to controlling powdery mildew.
There a lot of chemicals that will help control PM. The problem is that
most AG growers are limited by what they can buy and how affordable it is.
Also, the spray equipment has to be able to apply the chemical(s) in an
efficient manner. That is why the top growers use equipment that can fog or
mist in order to get complete coverage. Here is a link that I think you
will find of value:
http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/NewsArticles/Cuc_Cntct_Fcides.htm
I use Daconil as a preventative and have had pretty good results.
- - ---- Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net> wrote:
> Ron, I believe that 70% Neem Oil will help.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Fine <RonFineEsq@earthlink.net>
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:59:03 AM
> Subject: Powdery Mildew
>
> Dear list,
>
> Are there any systemic products to prevent or control powdery mildew? I
live
> close to the ocean in Los Angeles, CA and we get a lot of moisture during
the
> nights. And, we have had an unusual spring and summer of cloudy, damp
> weather. I have several pumpkins growing but my plants are being wiped
out
> by powdery mildew. I have tried to use several types of sprays but I
can't
> keep up with the spread and it is very difficult to get to the bottom of
the
> leaves. I'm afraid that this year my pumpkins will not make it. Any
> suggestions??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Fine
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:35:24 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: Powdery Mildew
Kathy,
Cool! You are a master pumpkineer in my opinion. My sister and her husband
have grown grapes for Firestone, Shelton (North Carolina) and Stagland
Vineyards. They tell me grapes love "crappy soil". You must do a lot of work
for the results you get. Cheers!
Steve Haberman
- - -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Kathie Morgan
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:47 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Re: Powdery Mildew
We use wettable sulphur. We grow in a vineyard and the vineyard owner
insists on it so as to protect his vines. It works for us.
Good luck!
On Jul 26, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Ron Fine wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Are there any systemic products to prevent or control powdery
> mildew? I live
> close to the ocean in Los Angeles, CA and we get a lot of moisture
> during the
> nights. And, we have had an unusual spring and summer of cloudy, damp
> weather. I have several pumpkins growing but my plants are being
> wiped out
> by powdery mildew. I have tried to use several types of sprays but
> I can't
> keep up with the spread and it is very difficult to get to the
> bottom of the
> leaves. I'm afraid that this year my pumpkins will not make it. Any
> suggestions??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Fine
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:59:49 -0700
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Some reasons I have to grow organic even though I don't plan on eating the
pumpkins..
My patch is right up against my bedroom window.
My other garden vegetables that I do eat are right next to my pumpkin patch.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com>wrote:
> Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not
> typically
> eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
> experience and opinion.
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:27:07 -0700
From: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
Yes!
On Jul 25, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Debbie Runkle wrote:
> I am seeing more cuke beetles around the plants. This morning I
> noticed them in
> the male flowers. My insecticide program consists of Ortho Max
> every other week
> with 70% Neem Oil on the off week. Should I be worried?
>
> Debbie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:20:40 -0700
From: "Ron Fine" <RonFineEsq@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
I'm growing my in a community garden which is strictly organic. So, not
only do I have to find the best organic solution, but, I have to put up with
neighbors who let there pumpkins get totally covered with PM before taking
any steps to solve the problem. I'm sure that my infestation started in
their plot.
Ron
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:55:05 -0700
From: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
Debbie,
Can you get your hands on a small portable vacuum cleaner? I wouldn't
use it on the AGs, but if you find cuke beetles elsewhere in the
patch, gobble them up.
(Then subject them to the agonizing death they deserve.)
Good luck!
Kathie
On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Brian Taylor wrote:
> I've been treating my patch with ortho max and the bayer bug killer
> mixed at
> the recommended mix every 2 weeks, been keeping them at bay. I've
> always
> had fits with squash bugs. I treated the soil during the soil prep
> stage
> with grub killer per advice from this group. with all these
> chemicals, i've
> seen less pests than I ever have. I spray of an evening, while the
> blossoms are closed, that way the bees can still do what they need
> to do.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am seeing more cuke beetles around the plants. This morning I
>> noticed
>> them in
>> the male flowers. My insecticide program consists of Ortho Max
>> every other
>> week
>> with 70% Neem Oil on the off week. Should I be worried?
>>
>> Debbie
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
If it is a systemic, then how long does it take to get into the plant?
Debbie
________________________________
From: Russ Stokes <rstokes@wi.rr.com>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:27:10 PM
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
I have been growing squash, pumpkins, gourds for a long time. Cucumber
beetles
on your plant is a sure sign that if not treated promptly, more than likely
you
will get bacterial wilt. The bacteria proliferates while the beetle ingests
from an infected leaf and then passes the disease to the other leaves, until
you
have a stunted dying plant. Here is what I recommend:
Purchase Bayer Advance Fruit, Citrus and Vegetable Insect Control. It
contains
Imidacloprid (Merit) I usually use the recommended dosage, dump this in a 5
gallon bucket and fill the bucket with water. Then for each plant I slowly
dump
the contents around the base of the plants. This is a systemic insecticide
so
it usually will kill insects that bite into the plant. I then thoroughly
spray
the leaves with Triazicide, again I use the recommended rate. I do all of
this
either in early morning or in the evening. These two controls works well on
cuke beetle, squash bug and other pests. Make sure you protect yourself
from
the chemicals by wearing protective clothing or at least where long pants
and
a
shirt with glasses. The chemical in Triazicide is a synthetic pyrethrum and
if
it touches the skin you will feel a burning sensation and itch. Good Luck.
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:27:10 -0500
From: "Russ Stokes" <rstokes@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
I have been growing squash, pumpkins, gourds for a long time. Cucumber
beetles on your plant is a sure sign that if not treated promptly, more than
likely you will get bacterial wilt. The bacteria proliferates while the
beetle ingests from an infected leaf and then passes the disease to the
other leaves, until you have a stunted dying plant. Here is what I
recommend:
Purchase Bayer Advance Fruit, Citrus and Vegetable Insect Control. It
contains Imidacloprid (Merit) I usually use the recommended dosage, dump
this in a 5 gallon bucket and fill the bucket with water. Then for each
plant I slowly dump the contents around the base of the plants. This is a
systemic insecticide so it usually will kill insects that bite into the
plant. I then thoroughly spray the leaves with Triazicide, again I use the
recommended rate. I do all of this either in early morning or in the
evening. These two controls works well on cuke beetle, squash bug and other
pests. Make sure you protect yourself from the chemicals by wearing
protective clothing or at least where long pants and a shirt with glasses.
The chemical in Triazicide is a synthetic pyrethrum and if it touches the
skin you will feel a burning sensation and itch. Good Luck.
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:56:39 -0400
From: Robert Steckroth <robertsteckroth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
Dang! Check out that 1700 pounder of the front page.
I almost don't think it's real. I guess one could just
post the picture link from that Web Site to here.
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=166&gid=51
It seems the "pumpkin rust" has stopped spreading
even despite the wet weather so I am gonna give it another week.
I do have 4 or 5 ripe pie pumpkins though! Hmmmmm, pumpkin pie.
I wonder if I could do a mass wood fire pumpkin roast?
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net> wrote:
> There is one: BigPumpkins.com.
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Robert Steckroth wrote:
>
> HAHAHA That is funny.
>> What do you guys and gals think about a Web Site to upload photos
>> and post messages? If there is interest I can make one by next season.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Diana Sigel
>> <duchessofgladstone@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> gee, Steve, I looked at the link you suggested,and I think I have 10 of
>>> the
>>> 14
>>> pumpkin leaf diseases. But I might be a little bit pumparanoid.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> duchess of gladstone
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 7/23/10, pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
>>> Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
>>> To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
>>> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 3:01 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> pumpkins DIGEST Friday, July 23 2010 Volume 01 : Number
>>> 577
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In this issue:
>>>
>>> RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
>>> problem solver
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:39:38 -0400
>>> From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
>>>
>>> Fungus.
>>> Use a copper based fungicide, Daconil, or Captan.
>>> Quit watering over the leaves.
>>>
>>> - -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Robert Steckroth
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:01 PM
>>> To: pumpkins@hort.net
>>> Subject: Browning, rusty colored everything!
>>>
>>> My pumpkins and watermelon leaves have a rusty color to them and
>>> some of the older leaves are dying. The leaf stalks are browning too.
>>> Is it possible to overwater? On one plant even the hairs are rusty. It
>>> looks
>>> like a yellow ball with red hair, haha. Someone please tell me if this
is
>>> a pre-cursor to disaster.
>>>
>>> - --
>>> *Bringing game to younix*
>>> Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
>>> "Finding the exit without looking"
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:51:39 -0400
>>> From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
>>> Subject: problem solver
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/publications/cucurbitproblemsolver/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Haberman
>>> End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
>>> ******************************
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Bringing game to younix*
>> Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
>> "Finding the exit without looking"
- - --
*Bringing game to younix*
Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
"Finding the exit without looking"
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: Re: Powdery Mildew
Ron, I believe that 70% Neem Oil will help.
Debbie
________________________________
From: Ron Fine <RonFineEsq@earthlink.net>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 10:59:03 AM
Subject: Powdery Mildew
Dear list,
Are there any systemic products to prevent or control powdery mildew? I
live
close to the ocean in Los Angeles, CA and we get a lot of moisture during
the
nights. And, we have had an unusual spring and summer of cloudy, damp
weather. I have several pumpkins growing but my plants are being wiped out
by powdery mildew. I have tried to use several types of sprays but I can't
keep up with the spread and it is very difficult to get to the bottom of the
leaves. I'm afraid that this year my pumpkins will not make it. Any
suggestions??
Thanks,
Ron Fine
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:32:51 -0500
From: "Russ Stokes" <rstokes@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
Per my last post - Spraying in the evening is better than morning, because
of less chance of harming beneficial insects such as bees.
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
If I have been spraying Ortho Max every two weeks, then why am I seeing
them?
Can I spray Ortho Max every week?
Debbie
________________________________
From: Brian Taylor <brian8t@gmail.com>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 1:43:15 PM
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
I've been treating my patch with ortho max and the bayer bug killer mixed at
the recommended mix every 2 weeks, been keeping them at bay. I've always
had fits with squash bugs. I treated the soil during the soil prep stage
with grub killer per advice from this group. with all these chemicals, i've
seen less pests than I ever have. I spray of an evening, while the
blossoms are closed, that way the bees can still do what they need to do.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net> wrote:
> I am seeing more cuke beetles around the plants. This morning I noticed
> them in
> the male flowers. My insecticide program consists of Ortho Max every
other
> week
> with 70% Neem Oil on the off week. Should I be worried?
>
> Debbie
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:33:31 -0700
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Steve is so right! I thought I could prevent powdery mildew with Neem Oil,
Milk and Compost Tea. I get home today and what was a healthy plant this
morning has powdery mildew. Now I am scrambling to find a way to keep my
plant alive for the next month so I can get my first decent pumpkin.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com>wrote:
> Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not
> typically
> eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
> experience and opinion.
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:53:50 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
LOL! I'm just trying to help. I know how you feel. I have the best fruit of
my life going right now. I can't quit worrying about it. I'm even coming
home for lunch every day just to check on it. I may pitch a tent in the
patch and run an extension cord from the barn for a radio.
Sleepless in Indiana
- - -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Diana Sigel
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:14 AM
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
gee, Steve, I looked at the link you suggested,and I think I have 10 of the
14
pumpkin leaf diseases. But I might be a little bit pumparanoid.
cheers,
duchess of gladstone
- - --- On Fri, 7/23/10, pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net> wrote:
From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 3:01 AM
pumpkins DIGEST Friday, July 23 2010 Volume 01 : Number 577
In this issue:
RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
problem solver
- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:39:38 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
Fungus.
Use a copper based fungicide, Daconil, or Captan.
Quit watering over the leaves.
- - - -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Robert Steckroth
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:01 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Browning, rusty colored everything!
My pumpkins and watermelon leaves have a rusty color to them and
some of the older leaves are dying. The leaf stalks are browning too.
Is it possible to overwater? On one plant even the hairs are rusty. It looks
like a yellow ball with red hair, haha. Someone please tell me if this is
a pre-cursor to disaster.
- - - --
*Bringing game to younix*
Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
"Finding the exit without looking"
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:51:39 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: problem solver
Robert,
Hope this helps.
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/publications/cucurbitproblemsolver/
Steve Haberman
End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
******************************
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:12:38 -0500
From: Brian Taylor <brian8t@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
A website like that would be great for me. I like the weedalert.com site
with its pictures and descriptions of weeds by region
Brian T
P.S. supposed to be 100 degrees today (7/23). Can't do anything about the
weather...
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Robert Steckroth <
robertsteckroth@gmail.com> wrote:
> HAHAHA That is funny.
> What do you guys and gals think about a Web Site to upload photos
> and post messages? If there is interest I can make one by next season.
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Diana Sigel
> <duchessofgladstone@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > gee, Steve, I looked at the link you suggested,and I think I have 10 of
> the
> > 14
> > pumpkin leaf diseases. But I might be a little bit pumparanoid.
> >
> > cheers,
> > duchess of gladstone
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/23/10, pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: pumpkins DIGEST <pumpkins-owner@hort.net>
> > Subject: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
> > To: pumpkins-digest@hort.net
> > Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 3:01 AM
> >
> >
> > pumpkins DIGEST Friday, July 23 2010 Volume 01 : Number
> 577
> >
> >
> >
> > In this issue:
> >
> > RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
> > problem solver
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:39:38 -0400
> > From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
> > Subject: RE: Browning, rusty colored everything!
> >
> > Fungus.
> > Use a copper based fungicide, Daconil, or Captan.
> > Quit watering over the leaves.
> >
> > - -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Robert Steckroth
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:01 PM
> > To: pumpkins@hort.net
> > Subject: Browning, rusty colored everything!
> >
> > My pumpkins and watermelon leaves have a rusty color to them and
> > some of the older leaves are dying. The leaf stalks are browning too.
> > Is it possible to overwater? On one plant even the hairs are rusty. It
> > looks
> > like a yellow ball with red hair, haha. Someone please tell me if this
is
> > a pre-cursor to disaster.
> >
> > - --
> > *Bringing game to younix*
> > Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
> > "Finding the exit without looking"
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:51:39 -0400
> > From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
> > Subject: problem solver
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/publications/cucurbitproblemsolver/
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Haberman
> > End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #577
> > ******************************
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Bringing game to younix*
> Bustout ENTRAINMENT --- PureBreedDefense.com
> "Finding the exit without looking"
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
I'll pick some up tomorrow and spray tomorrow night. How about Sevin? I
think
they may have come from my zucchini plant since that is where I first
noticed
them. I'm thinking about pulling the zucchini plants to hopefully help the
problem. Any thoughts?
Debbie
________________________________
From: Russ Stokes <rstokes@wi.rr.com>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 6:32:51 PM
Subject: Re: cuke beetles
Per my last post - Spraying in the evening is better than morning, because
of
less chance of harming beneficial insects such as bees.
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:16:44 -0500
From: "George & Carolyn Heyne" <gheyne@millcomm.com>
Subject: Re: Heavy rains
Debbie,
I use a zip lock bag and leave it on for 24 hours.
George Heyne
Rochester, MN
- - ----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Runkle" <yorunk13@att.net>
To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Heavy rains
> Kathie, you mentioned that you use Dixie cups over the flower after
> pollination. How long do you leave the cup on?
>
> How long before females form on the vine? I transplanted 5/25/2001 and
> only
> have two females on the main, one of which just 'hatched'. I have used
> 15-30-15
> twice, the second time was yesterday. How long will the secondaries grow
> before
> they produce females?
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net>
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 1:12:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Heavy rains
>
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Jason Thomas wrote:
>
>> You can tie the female bloom closed with twine or a twisty tie before it
>> opens. Most growers do that so they can control the source of pollen that
>> goes in.
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> Mr Al Eaton told us that he uses Dixie cups to cover his females after
> pollination. We tried it and it's perfect. Just use one hand to gather the
> petals together, then use the other hand to ease the cup down over the
> blossom.
> We use 16-ounce cups.
>
> Kathie in Santa Rosa
>
>
>> That would keep water out to a certain extent too. You could put up
>> a small piece of tarp (like 1sq ft) with some bamboo stakes over the
>> flower,
>> especially after you pollinate. You can cut or tear small holes in the
>> corolla below the stigma or anther in both female and male flowers to
>> help
>> them drain after a rain. I used to do that when I had my plants growing
>> out
>> over the lawn where they would get sprinkled every morning. But only use
>> that method on female flowers if you don't care about stray pollen
>> getting
>> in. How hot is it there? I've found once it gets hot enough (100+) here
>> flowers wont pollinate even if the flowers are cooled. However in the
>> 80s
>> and 90s they will pollinate but only if I cool them by putting a small
>> styrofoam cooler upside down over the flower the night before opening
>> with a
>> frozen water bottle inside for cooling. The styrofoam cooler method will
>> also keep the rain out but you only want to use it for a day or two
>> because
>> you don't want to encourage rot.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Jeff Potter
>> <maple-leaf@kpe.biglobe.ne.jp>wrote:
>>
>>> I live in southern Japan, and have been trying to grow pumpkins, ANY
>>> SIZE
>>> pumpkins, for several years, with no luck. I didn't really put much
>>> effort
>>> into it, just planted and waited, not really knowing what I was doing.
>>> I got the giant pumpkin bug when I received some seeds from the local
>>> champion, a 200 kger.I've done some studying, finally got a copy of Don
>>> Langevin's Giant Pumpkins II, did what I could with the soil in the
>>> spring,
>>> planted both in pots and directly, and have got some amazing, big,
>>> healthy-looking plants. I have a lot of male flowers, and several
>>> females
>>> not
>>> yet bloomed. I am out at 5:00am every morning just in case. In Don's
>>> book,
>>> he
>>> says I will know when the flower is ready to bloom, but I am not so
>>> sure.
>>> My
>>> problem is, we have a major rainy season here in Asia, it has rained
>>> heavily
>>> for 2 straight days, with a forecast for more, until Thursday. My
>>> question
>>> is,
>>> how can I protect my ladies, will the heavy rain have an effect on them
>>> even
>>> if they do not open, and if they do, can I pollinate them in the rain.
>>>
>>> Thanks, first time poster,
>>>
>>> Jeff
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:53:06 -0400
From: dbhaskaran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heavy rains
Debbie,
Yes, you will need to always cover the female and 3 males the night before!
(with glad bags).
I have pollinated during a pouring rain...the key is to insure it stays dry
during pollination and then using glad bags....keeping it dry for at least
24hrs. Here are somethings I do if it is an important set:
For Rain:
- Use an umbrella
For Cold Mornings:
- Wait till the temp gets up a bit >60 degrees...you can tell by the
pollen
on the male or use more males.
- The goal is to cover all the segments with lots of pollen from head to
toe.
For Hot Mornings:
- get it early...I've done them at 5:30am if the temp is 70
- put ice around the bloom and let it melt into the soil will help keep
the
area cooler.
- Pumpkins won't set in hot weather...I'm guessing >90 degrees...so need
to
keep cooler.
Good luck
David Bhaskaran
Rochester, MN
- - -----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: Heavy rains
Another question - does the weather affect your decision to pollinate? If
it
is
suppose to rain on the morning you are pollinating, does that cause
problems?
o you need to cover both the male and females with cups the night before?
Debbie
________________________________
rom: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net>
o: pumpkins@hort.net
ent: Wed, July 7, 2010 6:37:20 PM
ubject: Re: Heavy rains
I check it after one day. Usually the blossom has closed up by then.
This year for an unknown reason I have to leave them on for two days before
the
lossom closes.
I'll let someone else tackle the rest of your questions.
Kathie
n Jul 7, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Debbie Runkle wrote:
> Kathie, you mentioned that you use Dixie cups over the flower after
pollination. How long do you leave the cup on?
How long before females form on the vine? I transplanted 5/25/2001 and
only
have two females on the main, one of which just 'hatched'. I have used
15-30-15
twice, the second time was yesterday. How long will the secondaries grow
before
they produce females?
Debbie
________________________________
From: Kathie Morgan <fishrap@att.net>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 1:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Heavy rains
On Jun 27, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Jason Thomas wrote:
> You can tie the female bloom closed with twine or a twisty tie before it
> opens. Most growers do that so they can control the source of pollen that
> goes in.
Hi Guys!
Mr Al Eaton told us that he uses Dixie cups to cover his females after
pollination. We tried it and it's perfect. Just use one hand to gather the
petals together, then use the other hand to ease the cup down over the
lossom.
We use 16-ounce cups.
Kathie in Santa Rosa
> That would keep water out to a certain extent too. You could put up
> a small piece of tarp (like 1sq ft) with some bamboo stakes over the
flower,
> especially after you pollinate. You can cut or tear small holes in the
> corolla below the stigma or anther in both female and male flowers to help
> them drain after a rain. I used to do that when I had my plants growing
out
> over the lawn where they would get sprinkled every morning. But only use
> that method on female flowers if you don't care about stray pollen getting
> in. How hot is it there? I've found once it gets hot enough (100+) here
> flowers wont pollinate even if the flowers are cooled. However in the 80s
> and 90s they will pollinate but only if I cool them by putting a small
> styrofoam cooler upside down over the flower the night before opening with
a
> frozen water bottle inside for cooling. The styrofoam cooler method will
> also keep the rain out but you only want to use it for a day or two
because
> you don't want to encourage rot.
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Jeff Potter
> <maple-leaf@kpe.biglobe.ne.jp>wrote:
>
>> I live in southern Japan, and have been trying to grow pumpkins, ANY SIZE
>> pumpkins, for several years, with no luck. I didn't really put much
effort
>> into it, just planted and waited, not really knowing what I was doing.
>> I got the giant pumpkin bug when I received some seeds from the local
>> champion, a 200 kger.I've done some studying, finally got a copy of Don
>> Langevin's Giant Pumpkins II, did what I could with the soil in the
spring,
>> planted both in pots and directly, and have got some amazing, big,
>> healthy-looking plants. I have a lot of male flowers, and several females
>> not
>> yet bloomed. I am out at 5:00am every morning just in case. In Don's
book,
>> he
>> says I will know when the flower is ready to bloom, but I am not so sure.
>> My
>> problem is, we have a major rainy season here in Asia, it has rained
>> heavily
>> for 2 straight days, with a forecast for more, until Thursday. My
question
>> is,
>> how can I protect my ladies, will the heavy rain have an effect on them
>> even
>> if they do not open, and if they do, can I pollinate them in the rain.
>>
>> Thanks, first time poster,
>>
>> Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:35:53 -0700
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Powdery Mildew
I wonder if my misting of plants is causing mildew problem. Right now I have
very fine spray misters come on regularly between 10:30am and 4:30pm every
day. I thought I'd be safe with 100+ temps evaporating the water quickly but
apparently not. Now I've got mildew.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Ron Fine <RonFineEsq@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Are there any systemic products to prevent or control powdery mildew? I
> live
> close to the ocean in Los Angeles, CA and we get a lot of moisture during
> the
> nights. And, we have had an unusual spring and summer of cloudy, damp
> weather. I have several pumpkins growing but my plants are being wiped
> out
> by powdery mildew. I have tried to use several types of sprays but I
can't
> keep up with the spread and it is very difficult to get to the bottom of
> the
> leaves. I'm afraid that this year my pumpkins will not make it. Any
> suggestions??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Fine
End of pumpkins DIGEST V1 #582
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:30:25 -0400
From: "Steve Haberman" <shaberman@insmgt.com>
Subject: RE: Neem Oil
Jason,
For your powdery mildew, I have had luck with @ one oz baking powder to a
gallon of water. It is a "green" solution to an extent. The best luck with
mildew and fungus I've had is with Captan. Use 5 teaspoons powder to one
gallon H2O in a sprayer. The "Africa Hot" is here in Indiana as well with
terrible humidity. I'm fighting the "ick" as well.
Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf Of
Jason Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:48 PM
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Thanks for all the information Steve and Cliff. Talking to more experienced
growers is immensely valuable.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com>wrote:
> Neem oil has been observed to work with insect control to some extent. It
> interrupts the hormonal functions in some insect species. However you must
> allow a certain amount of time for this to work which usually means
> destroyed plants then dead bugs. Neem will have ZERO effect against SVB,
> squash bug and I have seen limited effect on cuke beatles (again, personal
> experience). In my usual self-centered thought process, I didn't consider
> certain situations like a community garden. My apologies.
> Neem will not control fungi or mildew. Try a commercial fungicide for
> control.
> Steve Haberman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
> Of
> Jason Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:34 AM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: Neem Oil
>
> Steve is so right! I thought I could prevent powdery mildew with Neem Oil,
> Milk and Compost Tea. I get home today and what was a healthy plant this
> morning has powdery mildew. Now I am scrambling to find a way to keep my
> plant alive for the next month so I can get my first decent pumpkin.
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not
> > typically
> > eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
> > experience and opinion.
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:47:49 -0700
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Thanks for all the information Steve and Cliff. Talking to more experienced
growers is immensely valuable.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com>wrote:
> Neem oil has been observed to work with insect control to some extent. It
> interrupts the hormonal functions in some insect species. However you must
> allow a certain amount of time for this to work which usually means
> destroyed plants then dead bugs. Neem will have ZERO effect against SVB,
> squash bug and I have seen limited effect on cuke beatles (again, personal
> experience). In my usual self-centered thought process, I didn't consider
> certain situations like a community garden. My apologies.
> Neem will not control fungi or mildew. Try a commercial fungicide for
> control.
> Steve Haberman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
> Of
> Jason Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:34 AM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: Neem Oil
>
> Steve is so right! I thought I could prevent powdery mildew with Neem Oil,
> Milk and Compost Tea. I get home today and what was a healthy plant this
> morning has powdery mildew. Now I am scrambling to find a way to keep my
> plant alive for the next month so I can get my first decent pumpkin.
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not
> > typically
> > eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
> > experience and opinion.
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:25:53 -0700
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fruit placement vs. vine
Right away I think is the answer on raising the stem. Very gradually when it
is hot outside and the stems are more pliable. If you have someone helping
you can lift the pumpkin a little or slide it back a little so that when the
vines are pulled up you don't have too much tension. Then put some foam
under the vine.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net> wrote:
> Duct tape? Are you an engineer?????
>
> I plan on adding more sand tonight with the help of a neighbor (I had his
> wife
> help me pollinate one and I named it after her. I figure he owes me). I
> took a
> couple of interesting pictures of one of my pumpkins where you can actually
> see
> where it pushed the sand as it grew.
>
> When do you start raising the stem and vine, and how do you do it?
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "MDeVry@aol.com" <MDeVry@aol.com>
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 10:01:17 AM
> Subject: Re: fruit placement vs. vine
>
> Debbie
> Sorry, I dont know anything about which vine the pumpkins should be on as
> I am a very newbee and only have one pumpkin on a 20 foot vine anyway.
> I wanted to warn you about putting sand or anything under your pumpkins.
> PLEASE be very careful. I picked mine up only a inch to slide something
> under it and the stem cracked. I cant believe how fragile the stem is.
> I
> had to duct tape it - stop laughing -and dont know how that will work or
> for
> how long but the pumpkin has grown since.
> Maureen
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: fruit placement vs. vine
My largest pumpkin is growing more parallel to the main vine as opposed to
perpendicular. What should I do? Email me off-list for pictures.
Also how much sand do you put under the growing pumpkin? An inch, two
inches?
Debbie
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Warren <cliffwarren@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Hi all,
I haven't posted in years, but I'm still here and while I have some time I
thought I'd chime in.
I try to take a common sense approach to what I do in the garden. I use things
that work and get rid of stuff that doesn't. Keep in mind that your
environment
may be different than mine, and so the things that work well for me might not
work for you, etc.
Birds do a great job of keeping bugs under control. If you have trees, you
will
have birds. Sometimes I let my neighbor's chickens forage through the garden.
They convert bugs into fertilizer. But, I don't have many bugs...
Some of you sound like you have plagues of bugs. I can't imagine spraying
every
week or every other week. Let me tell you what works for me... Sevin does not
work. Dispose of it properly. I also tried Neem. It did not work, but it did
give my plants a nice nutty smell. In fact, when I used Neem my plants seemed
to
"lose energy", but I have no evidence that the Neem caused that. The one
product
that works VERY WELL is Triazicide. You can find it at Lowe's or Home Depot
and
it's very inexpensive. Now, here is the secret... I use it only once at first
outbreak and that wipes out those bugs for the entire year. In fact I use it
only on the potatoes, because that is always where they attack first. Take
care
of them early (not often) and you stop the problem before it starts. In fact,
I
use only a small hand held sprayer and that is all that appears to be needed.
At
the rate that I use this product, the $10 bottle might last me 10 years.
An excellent book is, "The Truth About Garden Remedies, What Works, What
Doesn't, and Why", by Jeff Gillman. In it he talks about products that he has
actually tried. I think that is the way to go about it... try things, and see
if
they work.
As for "organic", I dare say that a little too much importance gets assigned
to
the term "organic". Just because something is organic, that doesn't mean that
it
isn't harmful or poisonous to you or other organisms that you care about. And
something non-organic might be just the thing to stopping a plague before it
gets started. It's also important to have a holistic approach... The vacuum
cleaner, the soapy water, the birds, the general cleanliness of the area, all
good things contribute to a healthy environment for your plants. If you spray
too much you'll kill the beneficial insects (spiders, bees, ladybugs...) and
that makes the problem worse.
I realize that some of you live shoulder to shoulder with neighbors who have
different habits. I'm glad that I have a big enough space to actually control
the environment a little bit.
As for herbicides, do not even make eye contact with a bottle of 2-4D or
anything similar. If you have to use these products, use them in the fall or
very early spring, use sparingly, (no hose end sprayers!) and don't even think
of going near your plants until you wash everything and give it a week to
begin
to break down. If your dog walks on your 2-4D'ed lawn and then walks in the
garden, kiss it goodbye. Likewise, if you want to put lawn clippings in the
garden, do so only if you haven't used that stuff in the last 90 days or so.
Just letting you know what works for me...
Best regards, Cliff in Pocatello
________________________________
From: Jason Thomas <j.endlesstrail@gmail.com>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 12:33:31 AM
Subject: Re: Neem Oil
Steve is so right! I thought I could prevent powdery mildew with Neem Oil,
Milk and Compost Tea. I get home today and what was a healthy plant this
morning has powdery mildew. Now I am scrambling to find a way to keep my
plant alive for the next month so I can get my first decent pumpkin.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Steve Haberman <shaberman@insmgt.com>wrote:
> Unless you use Neem Oil for your hair, throw it away. AG's are not
> typically
> eaten, so spray the stuff from Dupont Chemical CO. et all. Just my
> experience and opinion.
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Runkle <yorunk13@att.net>
Subject: Re: fruit placement vs. vine
Duct tape? Are you an engineer?????
I plan on adding more sand tonight with the help of a neighbor (I had his wife
help me pollinate one and I named it after her. I figure he owes me). I took
a
couple of interesting pictures of one of my pumpkins where you can actually
see
where it pushed the sand as it grew.
When do you start raising the stem and vine, and how do you do it?
Debbie
________________________________
From: "MDeVry@aol.com" <MDeVry@aol.com>
To: pumpkins@hort.net
Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 10:01:17 AM
Subject: Re: fruit placement vs. vine
Debbie
Sorry, I dont know anything about which vine the pumpkins should be on as
I am a very newbee and only have one pumpkin on a 20 foot vine anyway.
I wanted to warn you about putting sand or anything under your pumpkins.
PLEASE be very careful. I picked mine up only a inch to slide something
under it and the stem cracked. I cant believe how fragile the stem is. I
had to duct tape it - stop laughing -and dont know how that will work or for
how long but the pumpkin has grown since.
Maureen
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