609 Laemmle 89
- To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
- Subject: 609 Laemmle 89
- From: A* &* S* E*
- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:35:12
At 00:48 26/03/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I know this subject was discussed very nicely a few months back but I would
>like to get some input from some of the newer members to the group.My
>question is do you think that the time Mr. Laemle inbreed his line that
>produced the 609 was sufficient to produce the sort of hybrid vigor
>observed in the 567.5 seeds? Or do you think it may be because there was
>another tribe of C. maxima in the Laemmle background that caused this vigor
>to occur? Since AG's are descended from a pumpkin eve then is it reasonable
>to assume that if the Lammele line was just a very inbred AG then the
>567.5's vigor might not be possible because when it was bred back with the
>616 Holland there would't be enough difference between the two to create
>the observed vigor of the 567.5 seeds? Could some unknown C. maxima be
>involved here? Could it be descended from something else than the pumpkin
>eve of AG's?I have been going crazy thinking about it and since i don't
>have a strong genetic background I need some help here
> And if another lost tribe of C. maxima was found which also has a
>good genetic potential to get large could hybrid vigor be realized if
>crossed with the AG? I am not very versed in genetics so please correct be
>if i am making some wrong assumptions. I have been searching the the web
>for lost tribes of C. maxima with little luck. Although, I have found one
>promising lead. I will post details in the future when they become
>available.
> Or if we want to create another 567.5 we will have to inbreed a AG
>strain for selected characteristics and then breed it back to the standard
>AG? and if so how long?
>
>Thanks for any input i need some clarity on this one
>John
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John-You raise some interesting questions and I could only speculate on the
answers but I do know a few facts.
The 609 Laemmle 89,male parent of the 567.5 Mombert 92,has contributed
genes to 8 of the 44 GP's in Canada over 700 pounds in 1998.
These are with the 567.5 as mother (2),grandmother (4) or grandfather (2).
The average weight of these 1998 descendants was 807 pounds.
For these and other interesting facts see the Ottawa-St Lawrence newsletter
with the 44
pedigrees.
In case you need an OSLG contact,I will "cc" this to the site
coordinator,so you can note his email address.
Carry on with your quest---Al Eaton
P.S.-I think your "lost tribe" idea is interesting.Certainly any "fresh
genes" to the winning existing pool must prove themselves to be accepted by
growers.If you find fresh genes that can compete with the proven known
genes people will grow them.If they can't compete they will fall by the
wayside and be forgotten.The GP world is very competitive but the best
genes will always rise to the top.
Each year of evolution of the top GP's makes it more unlikely that "fresh"
good genes will be discovered,although I would like to see it happen to add
more diversity.
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