Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection

At 11:51 AM 11/5/01 , you wrote:

>This is a interesting subject, since seed's sold on e-bay, does this mean
>all us with seed collections, without morals can make big money on e-bay ?

Well, not too big money, I guess that's my point. ;-) Better than we'll do normally.

We would all do well to note that there are already claims
of bogus seeds out there on ebay. What's to stop someone from
going down to WalMart and buying a package of AG seeds off the
rack for $1.29, taking them out of their package and listing
them as so-and-so's hot seed? Nothing!

It would be a shame to waste a whole year growing seed that is
really not what you expected. Our best bet, is get 'em from the
grower. Probably for free. Or obey the law & respect Howard, do not
Deal in them seed & wish anyone that does bad luck. That's the view from
here weather its liked or not. Cliff

And yes I take offence at someone cutting between the lines because its not financially
in their best interest to go after the little guy who hasn't any pride or respect for himself.
The Dill's are above that even if its them that's being shit on or cheated. Shame on you !

That said, the list has seen enought, I'm only to glad to continue on in private re subject.

Waiting;



Regards, Cliff


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Cliff: You are right, If you want to be a sleaze, your too small to go after & probably will get
away with it, but does that say its right or does that just make you realize the stupidly of
law. You have legal rights, but they are to expensive (by our system) to apply to the common folk.
This is a interesting subject, since seed's sold on e-bay, does this mean all us with seed
collections, without morals can make big money on e-bay ?????????????


At 12:49 PM 11/2/01 , you wrote:
>
>I percieve a lot of snipping here... First, lets try to be civil.
>I'm trying to compose this with a civil frame of mind. (I'm not
>shouting...)
>
>PVP (Plant Variety Protection) does not mean that only one person
>can sell a seed. It just means that that person holds the rights
>to that seed. The holder of a PVP can "license" to whomever they
>wish the right to sell that seed. The 50 or so seed companies out
>there that sell Dill's Atlantic Giant seeds necessarily need a
>license to do so, from Dill (or his company). (Correct me if
>I'm wrong.)
>
>If a non-licensed seller were to sell AG seed, I'm thinking that
>this would be technically in violation of the PVP. But this would
>be a civil matter rather than criminal. (Correct me if I'm wrong,
>which is likely.) This would mean that the holder of the PVP would
>need to take the violator to court (expensive), and sue for
>damages (hard to prove, and certainly limited given the small-time
>nature of the violator in the first place). Its likely that the
>small time seller is untouchable. Please understand, I'm NOT saying
>that its cool or even legal to do this, but just spelling out some
>realities as I understand them.
>
>Finally, I think its safe to say that there will always be
>excellent and free AG seed available. This hobby (sport) will not
>die. Too many good people out there will ensure that.
>
>Regards, Cliff in Idaho
>
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Thanks,
Bill Van Iderstine
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 945 lbs. 2001


Thanks,
Bill Van Iderstine
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 945 lbs. 2001

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