pumpkins DIGEST V1 #187
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- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:28:08 -0600
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pumpkins DIGEST Monday, November 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 187
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Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
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Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:29:11 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
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Hmm....I think calling someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" because
they feel differently than you about a topic is a bit rash and certainly
rude. To someone new to the sport, buying a collection seems like a logical
place to start. Imagine someone taking up a new hobby like golf or
hunting...if they have the means they'll get a new set of top notch clubs...a
golf bag.. a pair of shoes and maybe a 10 lesson plan with the club
pro....perhaps he's never swung a club before....but at least now he's got
the equipment, the lessons, and is ready to learn and take on the
hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the difference?
Not everyone new knows whats available for free or friendship....certainly a
723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts etc...arent ! And not everyone knows the
unwritten "rules" about seed selling so they can avoid buying them. Seems
to me there's a lot of people more jealous that this guy (who I dont know
either) has the means to buy this collection than anything else.....and thats
just petty B.S.........give the guy a break and get on with Fall patch
prep......Glenn
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hmm....I think calling someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" because they feel differently than you about a topic is a bit rash and certainly rude. To someone new to the sport, buying a collection seems like a logical place to start. Imagine someone taking up a new hobby like golf or hunting...if they have the means they'll get a new set of top notch clubs...a golf bag.. a pair of shoes and maybe a 10 lesson plan with the club pro....perhaps he's never swung a club before....but at least now he's got the equipment, the lessons, and is ready to learn and take on the hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the difference?
<BR> Not everyone new knows whats available for free or friendship....certainly a 723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts etc...arent ! And not everyone knows the unwritten "rules" about seed selling so they can avoid buying them. Seems to me there's a lot of people more jealous that this guy (who I dont know either) has the means to buy this collection than anything else.....and thats just petty B.S.........give the guy a break and get on with Fall patch prep......Glenn</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:58:05 -0500
From: "Bernie Loewenthal" <clouddoc@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
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Thanks Glenn. A small world---just got an e-mail from Paul Huff =
suggesting that I contact you. Won't tell you what he thinks of you, all =
great!! Funny thing is I e-mailed you just before Paul e-mailed me. =
Looking forward to some dialogue with you---need all the help I can get! =
Be well, Bernie=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com=20
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
Hmm....I think calling someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" =
because they feel differently than you about a topic is a bit rash and =
certainly rude. To someone new to the sport, buying a collection seems =
like a logical place to start. Imagine someone taking up a new hobby =
like golf or hunting...if they have the means they'll get a new set of =
top notch clubs...a golf bag.. a pair of shoes and maybe a 10 lesson =
plan with the club pro....perhaps he's never swung a club before....but =
at least now he's got the equipment, the lessons, and is ready to learn =
and take on the hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the =
difference?=20
Not everyone new knows whats available for free or =
friendship....certainly a 723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts etc...arent =
! And not everyone knows the unwritten "rules" about seed selling so =
they can avoid buying them. Seems to me there's a lot of people more =
jealous that this guy (who I dont know either) has the means to buy this =
collection than anything else.....and thats just petty B.S.........give =
the guy a break and get on with Fall patch prep......Glenn=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Thanks Glenn. A small world---just =
got an e-mail=20
from Paul Huff suggesting that I contact you. Won't tell you what he =
thinks of=20
you, all great!! Funny thing is I e-mailed you just=20
<STRONG><EM>before</EM></STRONG> Paul e-mailed me. Looking forward to =
some=20
dialogue with you---need all the help I can get! Be well,=20
Bernie </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DLIpumpkin@aol.com=20
href=3D"L*@aol.com">LIpumpkin@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dpumpkins@mallorn.com=20
href=3D"p*@mallorn.com">pumpkins@mallorn.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 05, 2001 =
5:29=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PVP, Was: Seed =
collection=20
(Warren)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Hmm....I =
think calling=20
someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" because they feel =
differently than=20
you about a topic is a bit rash and certainly rude. To someone new to =
the=20
sport, buying a collection seems like a logical place to start. =
Imagine=20
someone taking up a new hobby like golf or hunting...if they have the =
means=20
they'll get a new set of top notch clubs...a golf bag.. a pair of =
shoes and=20
maybe a 10 lesson plan with the club pro....perhaps he's never swung a =
club=20
before....but at least now he's got the equipment, the lessons, and is =
ready=20
to learn and take on the hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the =
difference? <BR>Not everyone new knows whats available for free or=20
friendship....certainly a 723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts =
etc...arent ! And=20
not everyone knows the unwritten "rules" about seed selling =
so=20
they can avoid buying them. Seems to me there's a lot of people more =
jealous=20
that this guy (who I dont know either) has the means to buy this =
collection=20
than anything else.....and thats just petty B.S.........give the guy a =
break=20
and get on with Fall patch prep......Glenn</FONT>=20
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:07:33 -0500
From: "Paul Huffer" <phuffer@insight.rr.com>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
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Glen,
Well said, I've known Bernie for a few months now & if he's guilty of =
anything it's just being very excited about growing giant =
pumpkins......but aren't we all.
He is a very nice person & given time all of you will come to realize =
the same thing, give the guy a chance & offer your help.
I know I have been & will continue to do so.......Paul
----- Original Message -----=20
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com=20
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection (Warren)
Hmm....I think calling someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" =
because they feel differently than you about a topic is a bit rash and =
certainly rude. To someone new to the sport, buying a collection seems =
like a logical place to start. Imagine someone taking up a new hobby =
like golf or hunting...if they have the means they'll get a new set of =
top notch clubs...a golf bag.. a pair of shoes and maybe a 10 lesson =
plan with the club pro....perhaps he's never swung a club before....but =
at least now he's got the equipment, the lessons, and is ready to learn =
and take on the hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the =
difference?=20
Not everyone new knows whats available for free or =
friendship....certainly a 723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts etc...arent =
! And not everyone knows the unwritten "rules" about seed selling so =
they can avoid buying them. Seems to me there's a lot of people more =
jealous that this guy (who I dont know either) has the means to buy this =
collection than anything else.....and thats just petty B.S.........give =
the guy a break and get on with Fall patch prep......Glenn=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Glen,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2> Well said, I've known =
Bernie for a=20
few months now & if he's guilty of anything it's just being very =
excited=20
about growing giant pumpkins......but aren't we all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2> He is a very nice =
person &=20
given time all of you will come to realize the same thing, give the guy =
a chance=20
& offer your help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2> I know I have been =
& will=20
continue to do so.......Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DLIpumpkin@aol.com=20
href=3D"L*@aol.com">LIpumpkin@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dpumpkins@mallorn.com=20
href=3D"p*@mallorn.com">pumpkins@mallorn.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 05, 2001 =
5:29=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PVP, Was: Seed =
collection=20
(Warren)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Hmm....I =
think calling=20
someone you dont know a "Fool" and "Idiot" because they feel =
differently than=20
you about a topic is a bit rash and certainly rude. To someone new to =
the=20
sport, buying a collection seems like a logical place to start. =
Imagine=20
someone taking up a new hobby like golf or hunting...if they have the =
means=20
they'll get a new set of top notch clubs...a golf bag.. a pair of =
shoes and=20
maybe a 10 lesson plan with the club pro....perhaps he's never swung a =
club=20
before....but at least now he's got the equipment, the lessons, and is =
ready=20
to learn and take on the hobby....for about 1500-2000bucks . Whats the =
difference? <BR>Not everyone new knows whats available for free or=20
friendship....certainly a 723Bobier ,845bobier, 940momberts =
etc...arent ! And=20
not everyone knows the unwritten "rules" about seed selling =
so=20
they can avoid buying them. Seems to me there's a lot of people more =
jealous=20
that this guy (who I dont know either) has the means to buy this =
collection=20
than anything else.....and thats just petty B.S.........give the guy a =
break=20
and get on with Fall patch prep......Glenn</FONT>=20
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:23:20 -0400
From: Bill VanIderstine <harrow.fur@pei.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
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At 11:51 AM 11/5/01 , you wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>>This is a interesting subject, since
seed's sold on e-bay, does this mean <br>
>all us with seed collections, without morals can make big money on
e-bay ? <br>
<br>
Well, not too big money, I guess that's my point. ;-)
<font color="#FF0000">Better than we'll do
normally.</font><font color="#000000"> <br>
<br>
We would all do well to note that there are already claims <br>
of bogus seeds out there on ebay. What's to stop someone from <br>
going down to WalMart and buying a package of AG seeds off the <br>
rack for $1.29, taking them out of their package and listing <br>
them as so-and-so's hot seed? Nothing! <br>
<br>
It would be a shame to waste a whole year growing seed that is <br>
really not what you expected. Our best bet, is get 'em from the <br>
grower. Probably for free. </font><font color="#FF0000">Or obey the law
& respect Howard, do not</blockquote>Deal in them seed & wish
anyone that does bad luck. That's the view from<br>
here weather its liked or not. Cliff<br>
<br>
And yes I take offence at someone cutting between the lines because its
not financially<br>
in their best interest to go after the little guy who hasn't any pride or
respect for himself.<br>
The Dill's are above that even if its them that's being shit on or
cheated. Shame on you !<br>
<br>
That said, the list has seen enought, I'm only to glad to continue on in
private re subject.<br>
<br>
Waiting;<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font color="#000000"><blockquote type=cite cite>Regards, Cliff
<br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:42:11 -0400 <br>
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <br>
From: Bill VanIderstine <br>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection <br>
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Cliff: You are right, If you want to be a sleaze, your too small to go
after & probably will get<br>
away with it, but does that say its right or does that just make you
realize the stupidly of<br>
law. You have legal rights, but they are to expensive (by our system) to
apply to the common folk.<br>
This is a interesting subject, since seed's sold on e-bay, does this
mean all us with seed<br>
collections, without morals can make big money on e-bay
?????????????<br>
<br>
<br>
At 12:49 PM 11/2/01 , you wrote:<br>
><br>
>I percieve a lot of snipping here... First, lets try to be
civil.<br>
>I'm trying to compose this with a civil frame of mind. (I'm not<br>
>shouting...)<br>
><br>
>PVP (Plant Variety Protection) does not mean that only one
person<br>
>can sell a seed. It just means that that person holds the
rights<br>
>to that seed. The holder of a PVP can "license" to whomever
they<br>
>wish the right to sell that seed. The 50 or so seed companies
out<br>
>there that sell Dill's Atlantic Giant seeds necessarily need a<br>
>license to do so, from Dill (or his company). (Correct me if<br>
>I'm wrong.)<br>
><br>
>If a non-licensed seller were to sell AG seed, I'm thinking
that<br>
>this would be technically in violation of the PVP. But this
would<br>
>be a civil matter rather than criminal. (Correct me if I'm
wrong,<br>
>which is likely.) This would mean that the holder of the PVP
would<br>
>need to take the violator to court (expensive), and sue for<br>
>damages (hard to prove, and certainly limited given the
small-time<br>
>nature of the violator in the first place). Its likely that the<br>
>small time seller is untouchable. Please understand, I'm NOT
saying<br>
>that its cool or even legal to do this, but just spelling out
some<br>
>realities as I understand them.<br>
><br>
>Finally, I think its safe to say that there will always be<br>
>excellent and free AG seed available. This hobby (sport) will
not<br>
>die. Too many good people out there will ensure that.<br>
><br>
>Regards, Cliff in Idaho<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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Thanks, <br>
Bill Van Iderstine <br>
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 945 lbs.</font><font color="#0000FF">
</font><font color="#000000">2001<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:22:57 -0800
From: "Ken Blair" <kblair@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
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I stated my thoughts on this back in October. Whether it's legal or =
not, it's morally wrong. I can understand people offering money to help =
compensate the grower for his time and his money( a few bucks here and =
there) or even someone who has collected seeds over time(It took them =
time and money also). If this is the case it should be done in a =
gentleman's/ladies agreement, privately and silent. Not whored out to =
public, to the highest bidder, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL'S OWN =
PROFFIT$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And when you look at what he got, was it =
really worth it. Hell, that's a drop in the bucket compared to all the =
respect that was lost, both the seller and the buyer. =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I stated my thoughts on this back in =
October. =20
Whether it's legal or not, it's morally wrong. I can understand =
people=20
offering money to help compensate the grower for his time and his money( =
a few=20
bucks here and there) or even someone who has collected seeds over =
time(It took=20
them time and money also). If this is the case it should be done =
in a=20
gentleman's/ladies agreement, privately and silent. Not =
whored out=20
to public, to the highest bidder, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL'S=20
OWN PROFFIT$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And when you look at what =
he got,=20
was it really worth it. Hell, that's a drop in the bucket =
compared to=20
all the respect that was lost, both the seller and the =
buyer. =20
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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:05:27 -0700
From: "Cliff Warren" <cliffrwarren@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
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Oh boy, I'm sorry.
Really, I'm not normally like this. I want apologize to
the buyer and everyone else on this list. My calling of
names was uncalled for. In fact, I got into this discussion
because I wanted to help "tone things down".
Bill, I don't know that I understand your post. I believe
that the buying and selling of seed is technically wrong
unless you have a license. I don't think we're on opposite
sides here. My whole point about Ebay is that you certainly
DON'T know what you're getting. If it were me I'd avoid
Ebay, when there are so many fellow growers out there who
offer seed for free.
Sigh, I'd really like to take it back, the name calling
that is. - Cliff
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At 11:51 AM 11/5/01 , you wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>>This is a interesting subject, since
seed's sold on e-bay, does this mean <br>
>all us with seed collections, without morals can make big money on
e-bay ? <br>
<br>
Well, not too big money, I guess that's my point. ;-)
<font color="#FF0000">Better than we'll do
normally.</font><font color="#000000"> <br>
<br>
We would all do well to note that there are already claims <br>
of bogus seeds out there on ebay. What's to stop someone from <br>
going down to WalMart and buying a package of AG seeds off the <br>
rack for $1.29, taking them out of their package and listing <br>
them as so-and-so's hot seed? Nothing! <br>
<br>
It would be a shame to waste a whole year growing seed that is <br>
really not what you expected. Our best bet, is get 'em from the <br>
grower. Probably for free. </font><font color="#FF0000">Or obey the law
& respect Howard, do not</blockquote>Deal in them seed & wish
anyone that does bad luck. That's the view from<br>
here weather its liked or not. Cliff<br>
<br>
And yes I take offence at someone cutting between the lines because its
not financially<br>
in their best interest to go after the little guy who hasn't any pride or
respect for himself.<br>
The Dill's are above that even if its them that's being shit on or
cheated. Shame on you !<br>
<br>
That said, the list has seen enought, I'm only to glad to continue on in
private re subject.<br>
<br>
Waiting;<br>
<br>
<br>
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</font><font color="#000000"><blockquote type=cite cite>Regards, Cliff
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To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <br>
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Cliff: You are right, If you want to be a sleaze, your too small to go
after & probably will get<br>
away with it, but does that say its right or does that just make you
realize the stupidly of<br>
law. You have legal rights, but they are to expensive (by our system) to
apply to the common folk.<br>
This is a interesting subject, since seed's sold on e-bay, does this
mean all us with seed<br>
collections, without morals can make big money on e-bay
?????????????<br>
<br>
<br>
At 12:49 PM 11/2/01 , you wrote:<br>
><br>
>I percieve a lot of snipping here... First, lets try to be
civil.<br>
>I'm trying to compose this with a civil frame of mind. (I'm not<br>
>shouting...)<br>
><br>
>PVP (Plant Variety Protection) does not mean that only one
person<br>
>can sell a seed. It just means that that person holds the
rights<br>
>to that seed. The holder of a PVP can "license" to whomever
they<br>
>wish the right to sell that seed. The 50 or so seed companies
out<br>
>there that sell Dill's Atlantic Giant seeds necessarily need a<br>
>license to do so, from Dill (or his company). (Correct me if<br>
>I'm wrong.)<br>
><br>
>If a non-licensed seller were to sell AG seed, I'm thinking
that<br>
>this would be technically in violation of the PVP. But this
would<br>
>be a civil matter rather than criminal. (Correct me if I'm
wrong,<br>
>which is likely.) This would mean that the holder of the PVP
would<br>
>need to take the violator to court (expensive), and sue for<br>
>damages (hard to prove, and certainly limited given the
small-time<br>
>nature of the violator in the first place). Its likely that the<br>
>small time seller is untouchable. Please understand, I'm NOT
saying<br>
>that its cool or even legal to do this, but just spelling out
some<br>
>realities as I understand them.<br>
><br>
>Finally, I think its safe to say that there will always be<br>
>excellent and free AG seed available. This hobby (sport) will
not<br>
>die. Too many good people out there will ensure that.<br>
><br>
>Regards, Cliff in Idaho<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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Bill Van Iderstine <br>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:06:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Sundstrom@webtv.net (Debra Rieman)
Subject: Re: Muffins
glenn,
i will look for that recipe just for you deb
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:45:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Sundstrom@webtv.net (Debra Rieman)
Subject: Recipes, Pumpkin (Pumpkin Cheesecake Muffins) - Bed & Breakfast Inns ONLINE
http://www.bbonline.com/recipe/beauforthouse_nc_recipe2.html
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:56:30 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Recipes, Pumpkin (Pumpkin Cheesecake Muffins) - Bed & Breakfast Inns ONLINE
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Wow ! That was quick !! Thanks deb !!....G
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Wow ! That was quick !! Thanks deb !!....G</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:06:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Sundstrom@webtv.net (Debra Rieman)
Subject: Re: Recipes, Pumpkin (Pumpkin Cheesecake Muffins) - Bed & Breakfast Inns ONLINE
i found that recipe for you glenn now when you make some do you deliver
?? deb
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:24:41 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Recipes, Pumpkin (Pumpkin Cheesecake Muffins) - Bed & Breakfast Inns ONLINE
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In a message dated 11/5/2001 5:07:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Sundstrom@webtv.net writes:
> i found that recipe for you glenn now when you make some do you deliver
> ?? deb
>
>
Im afraid I probably wouldn't get very far before they were all gone...lol..G
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/5/2001 5:07:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Sundstrom@webtv.net writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">i found that recipe for you glenn now when you make some do you deliver
<BR>?? deb
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:23:16 EST
From: Deisenhaur702@cs.com
Subject: Re: PVP, Was: Seed collection
Well, I guess I can give my thoughts on this as well. First I don't blame the
buyer one bit he had an opportunity to buy some good seeds, and he did. know
this is just my opinion but I blame the seller for adding some tarnish to a
great hobby and I might add a great group of generous people. For myself the
off season fun is trading and sending out S.A.S.B.P to many growers for seeds
its like getting a Christmas present in the mail when they arrive. I might
add I have not had a single grower to date not send me some seeds in return,
And how sweet it would be to grow a world record from a free seed. Now I
think we all know the right thing would have been to pass the seeds along to
some group or friend but that didn't happen. The one thing we all need to
remember is the fundamental this great hobby is based on friendship sharing
and caring. If we all can remember that then this act of selfishness will not
tarnish this great hobby.
Don Eisenhaur
Derry NH
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:26:52 -0500
From: "andy wolf" <farm@eznet.net>
Subject: end of season wrap-up
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Well folks, as many of you know, i finally broke my previous best =
this year by 250 pounds. And this one wasn't a green one. Seeds are =
dry or drying, and should be ready to go in about a week. Here's a =
rundown of what i had this year:
785 Wolf 2001 (865 mettler x 791 Glasier) MV, 2 on plant, good tall =
blocky shape, light colored, but the cross should put a bit of orange =
into the seeds. This one was almost 100# heavy to the charts (depending =
on which ones you use), 7th at altoona
522* Wolf 2001 (535* Wolf x 616* Corkum) MV, 1 on plant. solid green. =
solid fruit. was 60# heavy. the 616 plant that i crossed it with threw =
orange.(or "threw up" as G would say) 3rd place for squash at altoona. =
Put it in my worst spot, going to treat one of my 535's nice next year =
and see what happens.
511 Wolf 2001 (914 Wentzell x 865 mettler) MV, 1 on plant. not a bad =
looking fruit, but my luck with the charts finally ran out here. =
weighed almost 100# light. 3rd at Elmira
498.1 Wolf 2001 (859 mombert x 791 glasier ) MV, 1 on plant. about 30# =
heavy. Had 2 shallow dill rings. Weighed 502 at the Clarence weighoff, =
which included the tarp. 20th at clarence.
And here's the others that didn't make it to weighoff this year for =
various reasons (mainly because i ran out of places to go) :
463 Wolf EST (815 andersen x 920 cole) 121-82.5-79, grown on secondary, =
poll. 7/22, tall shape, wish i would have weighed it, i'm sure it was =
close to or over 500. Solid right up till it was carved for halloween. =
very thick. Light orange colored, no green to it.
388 Wolf EST (920 Cole x 991 Hunt) 110-80-75 grown on a secondary, tall, =
almost wheel shaped, nice orange color.
360 Wolf UOW (865 mettler x 920 cole) 108-69.5-69 on a secondary on the =
same plant as my 785. weighed on certified digital scales at local =
recycling center. Picked the same day as the big one. weighed 40# =
heavy.
326 Wolf UOW (815 checkon x 920 Cole) 102-72-67 MV, wheel shaped. went =
to rot last week of august, chopped up into pieces and weighed.
260 Wolf EST (791 glasier x 920 cole) 103-60.5-65.5 Grown on secondary, =
good orange color.
210 Wolf UOW (991 Hunt x 865 mettler) wheel shaped, wrenched itself =
right off the vine in late august. white pumpkin.
All had and average number of seeds, except for the 463 EST, which only =
had about 200. If you want to plant one from it, let me know, or else i =
might not send any. Of course, if you would like to send some from your =
pumpkins, those are also welcome.
Anyone interested in some can send the sasbp to:
Andy Wolf
98 E. Union St.
Allegany, NY 14706
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Well folks, as many of you know, =
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about a=20
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2 on=20
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charts=20
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(535*=20
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fruit. was=20
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up" as=20
G would say) 3rd place for squash at altoona. Put it in my =
worst=20
spot, going to treat one of my 535's nice next year and see what=20
happens.<BR><BR>511 Wolf 2001 (914 Wentzell x 865 mettler) MV, 1 on =
plant. not a bad looking fruit, but my luck with the charts =
finally ran=20
out here. weighed almost 100# light. 3rd at =
Elmira</FONT></DIV>
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glasier ) MV, 1 on=20
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502 at the=20
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clarence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR>And here's the others that didn't make it to =
weighoff this=20
year for various reasons (mainly because i ran out of places to go) =
:<BR><BR>463=20
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poll. 7/22,=20
tall shape, wish i would have weighed it, i'm sure it was close to or =
over=20
500. Solid right up till it was carved for halloween. very=20
thick. Light orange colored, no green to it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>388 Wolf EST (920 Cole x 991 Hunt) 110-80-75 grown =
on a=20
secondary, tall, almost wheel shaped, nice orange color.<BR><BR>360 Wolf =
UOW=20
(865 mettler x 920 cole) 108-69.5-69 on a secondary on the same plant as =
my=20
785. weighed on certified digital scales at local recycling =
center. =20
Picked the same day as the big one. weighed 40# heavy.<BR><BR>326 =
Wolf UOW=20
(815 checkon x 920 Cole) 102-72-67 MV, wheel shaped. went to rot =
last week=20
of august, chopped up into pieces and weighed.<BR><BR>260 Wolf EST (791 =
glasier=20
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color.<BR><BR>210 Wolf=20
UOW (991 Hunt x 865 mettler) wheel shaped, wrenched itself right off the =
vine in=20
late august. white pumpkin.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>All had and average number of seeds, except for the =
463 EST,=20
which only had about 200. If you want to plant one from it, let me =
know,=20
or else i might not send any. Of course, if you would like to send =
some=20
from your pumpkins, those are also welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Anyone interested in some can send the sasbp =
to:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Andy Wolf</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>98 E. Union St.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Allegany, NY 14706</FONT></DIV>
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