RE: pumpkins DIGEST V1 #1003
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Have a 'Parky' day
John S
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pumpkins DIGEST Wednesday, November 17 1999
Volume 01 : Number 1003
In this issue:
Re: Green mottle Bad ?
Frogs are green, not pumpkins !
Anamosa rules
Re: Anamosa rules
Updated the Top 1000 Page
RE: Green mottle Bad ?
Color as a primary factor
Re: Dolly in New Plymouth NZ
Re: Frogs are green, not pumpkins !
green mottle bad
Re: green mottle bad
Re: Color as a primary factor
Re: Updated the Top 1000 Page
The Main Vine
Re: Anamosa rules
Re: Color as a primary factor
RE: Sand in clay soil
Re: green mottle bad
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:00:44 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Green mottle Bad ?
In a message dated 11/15/99 8:59:34 PM Pacific
Standard Time,
jshunt3@juno.com writes:
<< White, cream, yellow to orange are pumpkins. >>
White,Cream,and possibly yellow don't represent a
pumpkin color any more than
green,grey or blue.........2 cents for free....or is
everyone afraid that
their 935 lloyd seed that they just traded mom's
minivan for is now gonna be
a squash?
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:10:19 EST
From: Lubadub@aol.com
Subject: Frogs are green, not pumpkins !
Here is another idea. You determine the amount of
green in the pumpkin, turn
that number into a percentage, and subtract that as
a portion of the weight
and determine the new "orange weight." That way you
can enter all in one
class. I wonder what Ray Waterman thinks about all
of this? What is that
frog's name that loves the color green? Kermit?? Let
him be the judge.
Marv in Altoona
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:42:39 -0600
From: Carlsons <carlson@sanasys.com>
Subject: Anamosa rules
List,
I've been reading a few of these notes on colors
and things and agree
on the thinking that it's a judgement call. The rule
leaves to many
things to be subjective.
Anyway as long as I can remember (1992) the
Anamosa weigh-off has been
open for all colors and ANYTHING can win as long as
it's heavy!!! So far
there hasn't been any big problem with this and most
growers know it's a
"Giant Cucurbite Contest" . Your eligible to win the
Anamosa top prize
but if your "mostly" squash then you would not been
eligible for the
bigger GPC prizes. If fact we had a couple come down
from the Minn.-
canada Border to enter his 690# squash cause it was
the only place that
it could win first place. He settled for third and
says he'll be back
next year!! Just my thoughts
The Carlsons Dan and Beth
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:44:47 -0800
From: brocfarm <brocfarm@pacific.pacific.net>
Subject: Re: Anamosa rules
>List,
> I've been reading a few of these notes on colors
and things and agree
>on the thinking that it's a judgement call. The
rule leaves to many
>things to be subjective.
> Anyway as long as I can remember (1992) the
Anamosa weigh-off has been
>open for all colors and ANYTHING can win as long as
it's heavy!!! So far
>there hasn't been any big problem with this and
most growers know it's a
>"Giant Cucurbite Contest" . Your eligible to win
the Anamosa top prize
>but if your "mostly" squash then you would not been
eligible for the
>bigger GPC prizes. If fact we had a couple come
down from the Minn.-
>canada Border to enter his 690# squash cause it was
the only place that
>it could win first place. He settled for third and
says he'll be back
>next year!! Just my thoughts
>The Carlsons Dan and Beth
>MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Dan,
You bring up a good point most the time there is no
problem. Usally you
get predominant orange,cream,white.and now and again
a little green mottle.
Some are quick to jump straight to the worst
scenerio. Green monsters
everywhere ah no more orange ones. I think were in
a period of transition
and pumpkins will eventually evolve out of the green
mottle.............brock
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:31:02 -0800
From: "McAlpine, Duncan G"
<Duncan.McAlpine@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Updated the Top 1000 Page
I added up to 1020 for unseen errors.
http://www.backyardgardener.com/pre.html
duncan
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:02:04 -0500
From: "Thompson, Paul S." <pthompson@glgt.com>
Subject: RE: Green mottle Bad ?
What was the reason that white, cream, tan, and
yellow were lumped in with
orange? Was it because they were not green? When did
that distinction take
place?
Paul Thompson
Armada, Michigan
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White,Cream,and possibly yellow don't represent a
pumpkin color any more
than
green,grey or blue...
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:18:16 EST
From: COMPUTRESE@aol.com
Subject: Color as a primary factor
List:
Can't resist any longer. Have to jump in on this
one.
If weight is the primary goal, then color should not
matter.
If color is the primary factor, then orange or
shades of it would be
acceptable.
Now, what about shape? I have seen some lovely,
perfectly shaped green
pumpkins that I considered to be more handsome and
true to pumpkin form than
some of the pinkish or cream colored amorphous
gourds that have won contests
based on weight alone.
What is fair? How complex do we want to make
judging? Does shape enter into
the picture at all? Will we have to get a panel of
judges to give marks based
upon weight, shape and color? To do so would mean
you'd have to accredit
judges like they do at dog shows or ice skating
competitions and the whole
matter becomes needlessly complex.
Keep it simple. Decide what is most important, and
go with it. I don't think
we will be able to settle the color shade matter due
to the variables. It is
my personal opinion that if there's any orange or
pinkish color, let it go as
a pumpkin. Perhaps in close cases, adding a caveat
to all who enter
competitions that "the judge's ruling will be final"
may be necessary. After
all, we are growing for hobby and fun. Rules are
only guidelines and there
has to be room for flexibility with so much color
dilution.
Barb
The
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:45:50 -0800
From: Andrea Hunt <i_sis@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Dolly in New Plymouth NZ
Hi John,
Finally my pumpkin plants are planted in my garden,
I have 5 planted...
Feed with Liquid blood and bone once a week do you
think?
> I have some actual plants from
Dolly (558 pound) looking for
> a home. If you would like a couple please sing out
and I will get them to
> you somehow.
Might be a bit late to plant now do you think?
Regards
Andrea
P.S. I'll have lots of questions coming your way
once they start
growing a bit more!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:30:34 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Frogs are green, not pumpkins !
Well,while you're at it,Mr Lubadub,why not PEEL the
green skin....it'll be
orange underneath and since it wont be cut to the
point of a whole into the
cavity,it should be
official,...right?.........................g
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:20 -0500
From: "Scott Armstrong" <sarmstrong@sgfimat.com>
Subject: green mottle bad
perhaps the squash is just misunderstood. i mean
how many people outside of our
hobby have heard of a giant squash? i know that
before i started growing, i
never heard of one, but i had heard of giant
pumpkins before. Pumpkins are
associated with fall, and halloween, and it's just
natural curiosity for your
average onlooker to wonder about who grew the
largest. But, should society
dictate our sport?, effectivly casting out the green
girl? i dont' think so.
Maybe making prize money equal is a good idea.
Making the "largest
curcurbit"..........well, i'm not sure on that one.
alot of people aren't going
to know what that is. i mean, i can see the
headlines, "so and so grows
largest curcurbit" people will be like "what the
hell's a curcubit?" but you
say "so and so grew the largest pumpkin" and
everyone know's what that's all
about. "saying so and so also grew the largest
squash" might garner some
attention, but not so many people will know what
that means. Basically, i think
the largest pumpkin contest is not only for us, but
for society, to celebrate
the fall, and halloween. I think the largest squash
is something that happened,
that society isn't well informed of. I dont' know
how true this is, but maybe
alot of people in the general public really dont'
care about a squash, if it's
green, it ain't halloween. I'm not saying that i
feel that way, because i
don't. If i had a squash, i would take care of it
with the same effort i would
a pumpkin. will people catch on? who knows, will
pumpkin masters make a squash
carving kit? will we have squasholanterns on our
front stoops? will charlie
brown, disgusted with not finding the great pumpkin
turn his search to the giant
squash? I dont' know, but for us, maybe equal prize
money is a good idea
regardless of what hallmark says
scott.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:57:38 EST
From: LIpumpkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: green mottle bad
In a message dated 11/16/99 1:50:38 PM Pacific
Standard Time,
sarmstrong@sgfimat.com writes:
<< I think the largest squash is something that
happened,
that society isn't well informed of. I dont' know
how true this is, but
maybe
alot of people in the general public really dont'
care about a squash, >>
Then how come Grampa Pickles grew a giant squash
for the giant squash
contest ?.....He didn't grow a giant pumpkin! I
guess RUGRATS (the kids
cartoon) is on the cutting
edge!!!!!!!!!!..............................................................
G(
squashboy,squashface)
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:12:31 -0800
From: brocfarm <brocfarm@pacific.pacific.net>
Subject: Re: Color as a primary factor
>
>Keep it simple. Decide what is most important, and
go with it. I don't think
>we will be able to settle the color shade matter
due to the variables. It is
>my personal opinion that if there's any orange or
pinkish color, let it go as
>a pumpkin. Perhaps in close cases, adding a caveat
to all who enter
>competitions that "the judge's ruling will be
final" may be necessary. After
>all, we are growing for hobby and fun. Rules are
only guidelines and there
>has to be room for flexibility with so much color
dilution.
>
>Barb
>
>
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
Amen! Barb.....Glen you devil
The seed for this topic was planted in my head at
HMB . A gathering of
growers from all around. It was apparent to me that
the standards are
different and it depends where you are from. Seems
the seed your area
predominately plants has something to do with green
mottling tolerance.
**** (What do the Canadian sites do??) Very
subjective and thats why I was
tossing out the idea of BASE COLOR RULES...or OPEN
DIV>. .skip the
percentage count. Keep it simple. Give me a ruling
that is sound and one I
can count on to be the same for all GPC sites.
Glen you little devil 98% percent of the original
skin has to be intack
anything missing over 50% your losing weight
HEHEHEH. Come on folks we
can do this we can work this out. We can make a
more sound ruling can't
we?? Or should we let sleeping dogs lie until it
bites
YOU!..................MB
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:47:31 -0800
From: "Mike Stephenson" <beacon@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Updated the Top 1000 Page
> I added up to 1020 for unseen errors.
Nice job Duncan. It is more than a little sad to now
actually read the list
and not see the 567.5.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:45:23 -0800
From: Larry Checkon <telcom@csrlink.net>
Subject: The Main Vine
Our thanks to Duncan for sending us a copy of the
PNWGPG newsletter.
Really a nice job, 18 pages full of pics and info
and a nice variety of
articles.
Larry & Gerry
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:57:24 EST
From: Heilmanjon@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anamosa rules
In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:53:20 AM Pacific
Standard Time,
brocfarm@pacific.pacific.net writes:
> I think were in a period of transition
> and pumpkins will eventually evolve out of the
green
> mottle.............brock
>
>
I hope so, Mike. This thread could get dangerous!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:01:38 EST
From: Heilmanjon@aol.com
Subject: Re: Color as a primary factor
In a message dated 11/16/1999 9:25:40 AM Pacific
Standard Time,
COMPUTRESE@aol.com writes:
> After
> all, we are growing for hobby and fun. Rules are
only guidelines and there
> has to be room for flexibility with so much color
dilution.
That's the spirit! This whole thing about growing
giant pumpkins is a big
emotional, fun, activity. Logic may grow good fruit,
but it cannot change the
fact the color ORANGE is the goal, the ultimate, the
perfect mark of
excellence. (I really need to take my lithium more
regularly.)
John
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:15:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Moore <bodger_man@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Sand in clay soil
Good info Chris, the gypsum must act as a
floculant. I
also have to realize that soils in other areas act
differently than the soils here. I do remember
hauling
pickup loads of sand, and spreading it on our
friend's
garden. I definately helped to loosen the soil. It
went
from clay to silt, but it did take alot of sand.
Maybe try
sanding a small part of your garden and see what it
does.We
also added leaves from our yard every fall too. Our
soil at
my house is not bad, claywise, but is very rocky,
anyone
have suggestions to disolve rocks:).
I did learn in my youth that timing of working
clay soil
was important. Too wet, and it just stays in clods
and
turns to "pottery", too dry and it doesn't want to
break
up. But if you catch it just right it's not too bad,
breaking up into very small clods, bean size on
down.
Watering had to be done carefully too, or it just
turned
back to concrete. Mulching helped, it kept the soil
dampish
without baking in the sun. It also keeps the soil
cooler
though, so it wouldn't be a good idea early in the
year.
With pumpkins having such big leaves, the shading
should
keep the clay from baking. Maybe mulching around the
plant,
and raking it back as the plant grows would work to
keep
the clay from hardening before the pumpkin can
establish
itself. This is speculation, I haven't grown
pumpkins on
clay, I've only grown them on our rocky soil where
we live
now.
=====
Good fishing!
Matt Moore
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:20:54 PST
From: "The Pumpkin Master"
<thepumpkinmaster@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: green mottle bad
Yea, it is dumb to call it a curcurbit contest.
We still should call
them giant "pumpkin" contests and have the logo's
shaped and colored like
traditional pumpkin to make the man happy, but allow
in the rules for color
not to be a factor in weighing the largest one.
Just that it is a
curcurbit. I don't think many will grow squash. If
many do and it becomes
the largest, hey, I bet someone will cross it with a
orange variety and
pumpkins which are a traditional color and prefered
by most will be back.
Greg
GIant Pumpkin Grower
www.thepumpkinmaster.com
Fresno, California (It is very hot here only when
pumpkins are growing, as
soon as they are done temps are perfect for
growing!!!)
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From: "Scott Armstrong" <sarmstrong@sgfimat.com>
Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
Subject: green mottle bad
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:20 -0500
perhaps the squash is just misunderstood. i mean
how many people outside of
our
hobby have heard of a giant squash? i know that
before i started growing, i
never heard of one, but i had heard of giant
pumpkins before. Pumpkins are
associated with fall, and halloween, and it's just
natural curiosity for
your
average onlooker to wonder about who grew the
largest. But, should society
dictate our sport?, effectivly casting out the green
girl? i dont' think
so.
Maybe making prize money equal is a good idea.
Making the "largest
curcurbit"..........well, i'm not sure on that one.
alot of people aren't
going
to know what that is. i mean, i can see the
headlines, "so and so grows
largest curcurbit" people will be like "what the
hell's a curcubit?" but
you
say "so and so grew the largest pumpkin" and
everyone know's what that's all
about. "saying so and so also grew the largest
squash" might garner some
attention, but not so many people will know what
that means. Basically, i
think
the largest pumpkin contest is not only for us, but
for society, to
celebrate
the fall, and halloween. I think the largest squash
is something that
happened,
that society isn't well informed of. I dont' know
how true this is, but
maybe
alot of people in the general public really dont'
care about a squash, if
it's
green, it ain't halloween. I'm not saying that i
feel that way, because i
don't. If i had a squash, i would take care of it
with the same effort i
would
a pumpkin. will people catch on? who knows, will
pumpkin masters make a
squash
carving kit? will we have squasholanterns on our
front stoops? will charlie
brown, disgusted with not finding the great pumpkin
turn his search to the
giant
squash? I dont' know, but for us, maybe equal prize
money is a good idea
regardless of what hallmark says
scott.
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