Re: Presumptous


Very well said & true, especially the ones that don't make a weighoff, also what about the new
growers that use this list as their advice & are willing to buy any seed that is built up here. They
don't have the years experience of some of you growers that say buyer beware, you should be ashamed
as growers leaving these future growers to the wolf's & not advising them otherwise.


At 10:09 PM 9/7/00 +0000, you wrote:
>     No, this is not simple supply and demand.  Most growers don't want this
>to become a business.  That is why selling seeds is bad.  The more this
>becomes a way to make money, the less of a hobby it will become that anyone
>can do.  Do you want to see this extremely commercialized?  Some do, so they
>can make money, but I think not the hobby is fun and creating a seed market
>will take away from the fun, not to mention lead to corruption and fake
>seeds which lead to fake genetic trees and all the years of good record
>keeping could be lost.  Soon, only one who used his seeds alone would know
>the genetics of the next seeds.  If we let this play out.. well, it will
>turn into a money business, and money is the root of evil.
>
>
>>From: G Tanner <g1tanner@yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>>To: Pumpkins <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>>Subject: Re: Presumptous
>>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>MB,
>>Very good points.  As we sit now many growers try to
>>get a lot of new seeds each year.  We all know why
>>too. Who knows what seed will produce the next big
>>one.  If you get it this year for "free" then you
>>won't have to trade an arm and a leg for it or pay
>>$50-$100 for it the next year at an auction.  And like
>>you have said in the past- I would be that there are
>>lots of great seeds that get passed over and are never
>>planted.  But such is the game.  why plant a unproven
>>seed with great genetics when you can plant a proven
>>seed with great gentics?
>>I don't know... maybe we should switch to a "pay to
>>play" system.  Then the people who are really serious
>>about growing a big one can pay to get the best seeds.
>>
>>I mean people are willing to pay then why not charge ?
>>if you charge to much then people won't buy right ?
>>it is supply and demand at work right, free enterprize
>>and all that.
>>but one of the good things about growing pumpkins is
>>that a dedicated new grower can grow a monster.
>>Chris, our fine 16 year old young man, is a good
>>example.  Why should he or the rest of us have to pay
>>to get a decent seed ? Why shouldn't he get some money
>>to improve his patch ?
>>and who would want to get a couple hundred seed
>>request emails in a couple of days ?  well I would -
>>not because i want to answer them all but because it
>>meant that i grew something big.  but others who are
>>busy with school/work, family, etc... might not be to
>>excited to get swamped with requests.
>>on the other hand... why not just give your seed away.
>>I mean all the seed I have... someone gave them to me.
>>
>>It's all for fun.  for the joy of growing. sharing
>>seeds with the grower down the street or on the other
>>side of the world. why bring money into it. it's just
>>fun.
>>I don't have an answer... just rambling out loud here.
>>but your right most all of us have more seeds than we
>>will ever plant- but i don't see a easy solution.
>>maybe we don't have to come up with a solution - but
>>just let it play out... how ever it turns out is how
>>ever it turns out.  And just be who and how you want
>>to be and let others do that same... knowing that
>>we'll step on each others toes every now and then
>>along the way.  Every one knows I've stepped on a few
>>toes - more than most ! Diana forgive me for
>>exploding/imploding at you...  I suggest you marry
>>Greg and live happily ever after - enigamtically
>>growing pumpkins together of course!
>>
>>Gordon Tanner
>>Maple Valley, WA
>>
>> >>>>>>><<><><><><><>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<><><><><><><<<<<<<<
>>As much as I agree with the spirit of giving and like
>>to uphold that
>>standard.  I think that it is presumptous to think
>>that all growers follow
>>my ethics.  I believe that we over step our boundaries
>>when we dictate what
>>one should do with their pumpkin  and with their
>>seeds.  This seems purely
>>his or her decision.  I can accept his or her request
>>or reject it upon my
>>beliefs.
>>
>>The game has changed  as it has grown so much.  Via
>>the internet  Growers
>>with hot seed are getting 200-700 seed requests.  And
>>at times have heard
>>how overwhelming it can be.  I choose to put a little
>>gift in my request
>>for refreshments for all their secretaries and
>>envelope stuffers.
>>
>>  Heres a new topic for the ethics commitee. The
>>generosity of growers has
>>created another monster seed mongers........or request
>>abusers......who
>>send out multiple seed request and collect more seed
>>than they can ever
>>plant in 4 lifetimes.
>>
>>few more cents to add to the
>>pot...................MBrock
>> >>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>--- Greg Schraiber <Greg@schraiber.com> wrote:
>> > Diana,
>> > Will you marry me?
>> >
>> > Greg
>>
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