Re: Presumptous
Mike..
I am glad you brought up this isue of my seed list.. And dont send
people to my seed list, and then turn around and say it isnt a personal
attack, because I can send the list to many peoples list on the internet
, but that would be a personal attack.. I have always, and always will,
trade for seeds. If you feel you have been wronged, well, I am sorry,
but let me tell you, your 819s never went in the oven, as suggested, but
were given to people who asked for some great seeds.. and for free.. My
friend Jim Kuzma grew a 430 pounder last year on a Stephenson 819, cream
color, but very nice size and shape. If you notice, and I want all of
you to go to the seed library listed above, and take note, Where are
there mostly 1 or 2 seeds? I will tell you... At or near the top in the
700 pound and up section.. That isnt because I didnt get many, but it is
a fact that I have distributed more free seeds than you will ever care
to rip out of the center of a pumpkin.. Whenever I tell people my seeds
are free for the asking, I mean it, and I dont mean 200 pounders.. I
take and give most people 5-6 different types of seeds, so they can have
a choice. And always, I include atleast one type of a seed from a 700
pounder and up.. That is why you notice most of my upper seed library
down to one seed, and not because I hoard them for myself..
As for the issue of your seeds, I have never included them in a trade,
if that is what you were asking.. And as far as that is concerned, what
I do with seeds I acquire when I send a seed request, is my business, as
they have become "my" property at that point.. Am I selling them? I dont
think so.. I have never charged one nickel, and never will.. Heck, I
spent almost 50 hours "of my time" running a seed auction, not to
mention the countless, and I mean countless hours of updating the
PGPGA.com site, WHICH I HAVE NEVER CHARGED THEM ONE NICKEL EITHER..
So call them as you see them Mike, but do me a favor, next time you
cast stones, dont throw them my way.. I spend way too much time, way too
much effort furthering the hobby by sending to growers my bubble packs
requesting thier seeds so I can help out newbies and actually, help out
numerous heavy hitters also with seeds, thanyou can ever imagine. So
what if I plant 4 seeds a year, and have over 200 different types? Cant
I have a choice for my efforts? I again reiterate, I have never charged
anyone, heck It actually costs me money to do this free seed thing..
Dont believe me? Ask Larry if his 97 inch gourd seeds from Steve Clarke
, that he couldnt get from Steve Clarke, worked well for him this year?
Hmm where did he get them, (not one, but 5 or 6).. yeah.. thats right..
Oh ask Mark Elsbree how his Mombert 937, Handy 974, Mettler 865(yeah
865), or his Sproule 968 did... Get ALL the facts before you throw that
last stone and finish me off in the square Mike... sheesh.. Try caining
next time.. The part I loved the most was you saying thsi isnt a
personal attack.. I love it. too damn funny.. I feel like Gordon and
Diana now.. Or Steve and Bob.. Or well.. you get my point..
Mike Stephenson wrote:
>
> > MB,
> > Very good points. As we sit now many growers try to
> > get a lot of new seeds each year.
>
> (G Tanner)
>
> >> Heres a new topic for the ethics commitee. The
> >> generosity of growers has
> >> created another monster seed mongers
> >> collect more seed
> >> than they can ever
> >> plant in 4 lifetimes.
> >>
> >> few more cents to add to the
> >> pot...................MBrock
>
> I have bitten my tongue on this one for some time but you have both touched
> a nerve here.
>
> OK, please follow this link for an example of what appears to Me to be
> excessive seed collection:
> http://home.cyber-quest.com/rocky.r/seedlibrary.htm
>
> This list of what appears to be about 200 seeds from Other growers seems to
> fit the profile.
>
> All due respect but once upon a time the free seeds I sent this grower
> appeared on this list. They are no longer on this list, yet this grower has
> never planted them. I can't help wonder what happened to them:
>
> 1) 3 of mine for 1 of ???
> 2) Handed out to some first year grower because ?????
> 3) Roasted????
> 4) ????
>
> The grower exampled here has given His seeds Free to anyone too. However
> that act of kindness, IMHO, seems overshadowed by the mere size of his
> collection of other growers seeds, and the impossibility of his planting
> much more than 25% of them in a lifetime, yet he still campaigns for
> additional free seeds from this year's giants. And yes, having a few more
> seeds than you can plant makes sense to a certain point as you hone your
> inventory, but this list seems over the top on that issue.
>
> IMHO charging for seeds may make sense so that seeds requested get planted
> rather than collected like, well, baseball cards.
>
> Finally let me say that the above comments are not intended as a personal
> attack of this, or any, grower on any issue other than what is, IMHO,
> excessive seed collection. The comments above should be read not unlike
> reading a baseball player's RBI's. If the profile fits, it fits, and no
> personalities are ever involved.
>
> Mike
>
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