Re: INDIANA STATE RECORD

Whats great is this is a free speech forum.....the problem I have with a lot
of the comments is they extend....WHAT -IFS----fabrications------ and cloud
the clarity....rather than What-was or what is... .............pumpkin did
not clear the scales............Without trouble.......for me that¹s enough
said.  Personally I know that its extremely hard when a giant comes in and
is a crowd favorite and passes the hurdles hits the scale weighs a new
record an outrageous amount crowd goes wild ----------but the damn thing
leaks rot juice...give me a break.....hell who wants to be boooed when they
say wait a minute.  Sorry this can't count..................You want to step
up and be that guy........hell they don't pay ya for this sh@#. ,  you
dedicate your time and get this reward........IT sucks.........

So I go with the simple facts....the simple reality.......as I said before
would hate to have been second.........especially if I had a sound
1000-lber............seems cut and dry but............hell what do I know.

MB



> I think the original decision should stand, consider it a screw-up by the
> judges or sponsoring body. If nothing was wrong, nothing was leaking, and it
> was declared official, would the judges or governing body pay attention to
> it being loaded back onto the truck or trailer? And if it fell off while
> being put back onto said vehicle hours later, would the decision be reversed
> if it broke open & leaked pumpkin juice or internal rot was detected?
> 
> I think Tom should get the cash, the prize, the state record. Maybe it can
> have an asterisk next to it that it leaked after being declared legal.
> 
> Another way to look at it is: (please no laughs) If I had a Beagle that had
> a Beagle puppy, and the puppy grew the size of a cow (impossible) & died, if
> I weighed the dead GIANT Beagle (was puppy) & it weighed 252.8 lbs 1 minute
> after death, did my dog not have a 252.8 lb puppy? Did it not exist if it
> was born? Wouldn't it be the largest Beagle on RECORD? (I told you not to
> laugh.) So, as of today, if someone asked who grew the largest pumpkin EVER
> ON RECORD in Indiana, it's Tom Beachy. If someone asked who holds the
> Indiana State Record, it's Tom Beachy. Please note that my far-fetched
> example applies only to "existence" and records--competitions & competitors
> will disagree with its theory stating it must be sound, weighed at a certain
> location, weighed on a certain day, etc.
> 
> Face the facts: A 1097.5lb pumpkin grown by Tom Beachy DID EXIST, the
> largest ever grown ON RECORD in Indiana. Did Tom Beachy break the rules? NO!
> Did somebody screw up? Yes. This weigh-off turned out to be a monumental
> day, not only because of the weight, nor because somebody seriously dropped
> the ball (pumpkin?) but also because rules interpretation from that date on
> will forever be altered, rewritten or at least scrutinized to either better
> the "SPORT" or cover somebody's... you know what. Just my 3 cents, I'm sure
> someone will disagree with me.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pumpkins@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On Behalf
> Of Greg Sanchez
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:37 PM
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: INDIANA STATE RECORD
> 
> 
> All of this comparing rules is getting a little absurd.  The way football is
> officiated shouldn't be the way pumpkins are judged.  If the pumpkin was bad
> according to the rules before it was weighed, it should not be official.  So
> what if the judges said it was ok at the time.  In football, if a play goes
> off before a judge can review the play, the play stands.  That is all nice
> and good for them, but why subject weight offs to the same bad logic and
> rules.  We have all seen the sports highlights where a ref screwed a call.
> Everyone knows it, including the refs.  This call blows the game and the
> "wrong" team wins.  Lets not let this injustice happen in the world of
> pumpkins.  We are better than that.  Lets look at the facts and the rules
> and make a proper decision, regardless of how long it takes.  If the pumpkin
> was not sound before it was weighed, then it is unofficial, regardless of
> what the judges said.  Who wants to win if it is a farce anyway.
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Brad2julie@aol.com
> Reply-To: pumpkins@hort.net
> To: pumpkins@hort.net
> Subject: Re: INDIANA STATE RECORD
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:45:29 EDT
> 
> Craig,
>           I think you hit the nail on the head.  The IPGA in this case is
> more like the Big Ten is to football.  The judges (officials) made there
> ruling on the field.  That ruling still stands by the way.  There are times
> when the overseer of the event need to take a stand in an effort to maintain
> fairness to all involved.  We have tried to do that.  Although I know some
> still do not feel that way.  Maybe we will verify our decision with the NCAA
> (GPC) to be sure we are in compliance.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
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