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Thank you for your comments......

After reading the comments from the members and the below note, I can 
now understand why some people need to know about seed
sources. As stated in earlier postings, I don’t mind if you request a
seed
source but I would appreciate the propagation method of that seed. 

On the issue of rules, I will post a new guidelines (if I decide to do
it) on:
http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/seed.html  SAVE THIS AS A BOOKMARK!




> 
> OK...I will step in here and put in my 2cents.
> 
> Firstly, I agree with the fact that you own the list and therefore you can
> make and enforce the rules.   As one ex-member put it....it's your
> backyard.  You do all the behind the scenes work which I am quite sure most
> list members do not understand and have given little thought as to how much
> you do as a listowner and what a pain it is to do.

> 
> An aside regarding "rules".....after reading the "manual" for xxxxxx-l, I
> am quite sure I will lurk there for a long time and not likely contribute.
> When I suggested rules for our group I was not suggestion we write
> something like that,  which seems to approach the new South African
> constitution in it's thoroughness and complexity.
> 
> Anyway....I DO think that seed/plant sources is a part of propagation.
> What are you going to propagate if you don't have the plant.  To me it is
> not nearly as enjoyable nor useful to read/discuss the intricacies of the
> propagation techniques of a plant, particularly one that is new to me or I
> don't currently have without some idea of where I can get it. I admit to
> being an information collector..but when it comes to plants I also want the
> plant.
> 
> Here is an analogy of sorts......you go to the RSF or the Bellevue Botanic
> Garden....you see a plant that just sends you into an orgasmic frenzy, you
> have to have it.....you ask about it.  No one knows anything..or no, you
> cant' have any and no, there are no sources for it.  That to me is like
> taking a chocoholic who has developed diabetes and putting them in a Fanny
> Farmers store.  Cruel and unusual punishment IMHO.
> 
> Quite frankly, one of the biggest criticisms I level at public gardens, and
> I do this openly at Botanic Garden meetings I attend...is the dangling of
> carrots in front of people who are truly interested in plants, (not the, Oh
> what pretty petunias crowd) and then essentially say that they can never
> get one.  I definitely am not saying that every rare and neat plant should
> be available a KMart!  If that were so, I'd probably would be far less
> interested in collecting plants.  What drives collecting for some is the
> "hunt" and the eventual capture of the prey....but there has to be some
> hope.
> 
> Even for me....a somewhat successful propagator and someone who knows that
> somewhere out there I can find a source for the new plant that has captured
> my attention....will loose interest sooner or later when I can't find a
> source.  The Internet allows for some greater ease of searching but still
> takes a lot of time that I really don't have, and I am not going to sift
> through hardcopy looking for obscure nurseries in Botswana  that will take
> 2 months to hear from and so forth.  The computer age has developed a
> mindset for relatively quick answers....that is why we have these lists in
> the first place. I have a question, I can get an answer rather quickly
> without having to have the library at Kew at my disposal.  Same for
> sources...I don't need to have nor sift through dozens of catalogs looking
> for one that has some new Arum sp. listed.  In fact xxxxx-l ( forgot if you
> are a member) just had a bunch of people post notes from catalogs they got
> saying so-and-so has this-or-that.  In fact it seems like xxxxx-l and the
> xxxxxxx plant list both routinely discuss sources, certainly to my
> appreciation.
> 
> To paraphrase Mr. Spock, I understand and can appreciate where you are
> coming from, though I disagree with you.
> 
> BTW..you also need a really good set of asbestos underwear to be a
> listowner and simply blow off most everything that is sent to you in a
> non-constructive manner.  I personally don't have that thick a skin and the
> asbestos is too itchy.  ;-)
> 
> OK so it was more like 5cents....keep the change...
> You have a good day, don't jump ship quite yet but I for one wouldn't blame
> you if you do decide to drop the list.  I'm sure you don't get enough kudos
> and thanks to put up with
> all the chaff you get.
> 
> Thanks Duncan!

-- 
Duncan McAlpine, Federal Way, WA
Why buy plants when you can grow them yourself.....?
http://www.eskimo.com/~mcalpin/
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