propagation DIGEST V1 #6


propagation DIGEST        Monday, March 3 2003        Volume 01 : Number 006



In this issue:

        Lupines? Help!
        Re: Lupines? Help!
        Re: Lupines? Help!
        Re: Lupines? Help!
        RE: Lupines? Help!

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From WhtRos2@aol.com  Mon Mar  3 22:45:29 2003
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:45:43 EST
From: WhtRos2@aol.com
Subject: Lupines? Help!
Approved: kiwifruit

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Good Day to You All!!
20=B0 here and little snow.
But I am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.
One that I always fail is Lupines, Russell hybrid.=20
I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top.=20
My growing room is around 65=B0.=20
They germinate just fine but I always lose them to damping off.=20

Please suggest what I can do different?
I've read they need darkness for gemination.
Can't see that that would make any difference with the damping off.
I'm not good at keeping a fan running.  Would that help?
I've also read lower temps; 55=B0 maybe?
Or is my potting mix too wet?

Thanx for your help.
Best Wishes as always, Barbara
USDA z5a, Rock Island, IL
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20=B0 here and little snow.<BR>
But I am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.<BR>
One that I always fail is Lupines, Russell hybrid. <BR>
I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top. <BR>
My growing room is around 65=B0. <BR>
They germinate just fine but I always lose them to damping off. <BR>
<BR>
Please suggest what I can do different?<BR>
I've read they need darkness for gemination.<BR>
Can't see that that would make any difference with the damping off.<BR>
I'm not good at keeping a fan running.&nbsp; Would that help?<BR>
I've also read lower temps; 55=B0 maybe?<BR>
Or is my potting mix too wet?<BR>
<BR>
Thanx for your help.<BR>
Best Wishes as always, Barbara<BR>
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From admin@plantsources.com  Mon Mar  3 22:45:29 2003
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:27:12 -0500
From: Art Phinney <admin@plantsources.com>
Subject: Re: Lupines? Help!
Approved: kiwifruit

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WhtRos2@aol.com wrote:

> Good Day to You All!!
> 20° here and little snow.

"Little" is good!    Here we have only BIG.    This is going to be the
snowiest winter since 1878 (not sure of the exact date, but it's
somewhere in the 1800s.

>
> But I am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.
> One that I always fail is Lupines, Russell hybrid.
> I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top.
> My growing room is around 65°.
> They germinate just fine but I always lose them to damping off.
>
> Please suggest what I can do different?
>

You say you put sphagnum moss on top but is the remainder of the tray
also sphagnum moss?    If not, that could be the answer.   Being sure,
of course, that the moss is protected from exposure to the world at
large (i.e., all of the things that float around in the air) until you
use it.    I used to have regular trouble with damping off, but once I
started using sphagnum moss I had no further trouble.

> I've read they need darkness for gemination.
> Can't see that that would make any difference with the damping off.
> I'm not good at keeping a fan running.  Would that help?

Probably not necessary   I never used a fan.

>
> I've also read lower temps; 55° maybe?
>

Can't hurt, but may not be necessary.


> Or is my potting mix too wet?

Once again, less wet is probably better, but the pure moss may be the
only answer you need.

Incidentally, did I tell you that we moved?    In November, to an apt.
(condo) where I have only a space about 10 x 30 to garden.    Only about
10 miles from where we lived before.  My daughter is moving into the
"old" house, after a certain amount of remodeling, which is now taking
place.

Art

> Thanx for your help.
> Best Wishes as always, Barbara
> USDA z5a, Rock Island, IL
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Good Day to You
All!!</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>20&deg; here and little snow.</font></font></blockquote>
"Little" is good!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Here we have only BIG.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
This is going to be the snowiest winter since 1878 (not sure of the exact
date, but it's somewhere in the 1800s.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0></font></font>&nbsp;
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>But I am trying to think spring and
start a few seeds.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>One that I always fail is Lupines,
Russell hybrid.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>I soak them overnite and sprinkle
milled sphagnum over the top.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>My growing room is around 65&deg;.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>They germinate just fine but I always
lose them to damping off.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Please suggest what I can do different?</font></font>
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You say you put sphagnum moss on <u>top</u> but is the remainder of the
tray also sphagnum moss?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If not, that could be the answer.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Being sure, of course, that the moss is protected from exposure to the
world at large (i.e., all of the things that float around in the air) until
you use it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I used to have regular trouble with damping
off, but once I started using sphagnum moss I had no further trouble.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>I've read they need
darkness for gemination.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Can't see that that would make any
difference with the damping off.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>I'm not good at keeping a fan running.&nbsp;
Would that help?</font></font></blockquote>
Probably not necessary&nbsp;&nbsp; I never used a fan.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0></font></font>&nbsp;
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>I've also read lower temps; 55&deg;
maybe?</font></font>
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Can't hurt, but may not be necessary.
<br>&nbsp;
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Or is my potting
mix too wet?</font></font></blockquote>
Once again, less wet is probably better, but the pure moss may be the only
answer you need.
<p>Incidentally, did I tell you that we moved?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In November,
to an apt. (condo) where I have only a space about 10 x 30 to garden.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Only about 10 miles from where we lived before.&nbsp; My daughter is moving
into the "old" house, after a certain amount of remodeling, which is now
taking place.
<p>Art
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Thanx for your help.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>Best Wishes as always, Barbara</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=+0>USDA z5a, Rock Island, IL</font></font>
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From sschalon@wmis.net  Mon Mar  3 22:45:29 2003
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:55:30 -0500
From: "Sindy Schalon" <sschalon@wmis.net>
Subject: Re: Lupines? Help!
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Hi Barbara....I would suggest that your medium is to wet.  Sphagnum =
holds a bit more moisture than I like on seedlings.  Even though you are =
using "a sprinkling" it could still be enough to hold to much moisture =
near those fragile stems.  Let us know what happens.  Take care, Sin
______________________________________________
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"You have no power here, be gone before someone drops
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From michael.open@ntlworld.com  Mon Mar  3 22:45:29 2003
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:33:35 -0000
From: "Mike Open" <michael.open@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Lupines? Help!
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I had several years losing thousands of seedlings to damping off. I =
tried using Copper fungicide - no use.  Finally I took the advice of a =
former subscriber to this list and used vermiculite to germinate seeds =
(about half an inch on top of normal compost.

Result... no a single seedling lost to damping off in the last three =
years...

Mike O
Belfast NI
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: WhtRos2@aol.com=20
  To: propagation@hort.net=20
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:45 PM
  Subject: Lupines? Help!


  Good Day to You All!!
  20=B0 here and little snow.
  But I am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.
  One that I always fail is Lupines, Russell hybrid.=20
  I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top.=20
  My growing room is around 65=B0.=20
  They germinate just fine but I always lose them to damping off.=20

  Please suggest what I can do different?
  I've read they need darkness for gemination.
  Can't see that that would make any difference with the damping off.
  I'm not good at keeping a fan running.  Would that help?
  I've also read lower temps; 55=B0 maybe?
  Or is my potting mix too wet?

  Thanx for your help.
  Best Wishes as always, Barbara
  USDA z5a, Rock Island, IL
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  <A title=3DWhtRos2@aol.com =
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title=3Dpropagation@hort.net=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 03, 2003 =
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PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Lupines? Help!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
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  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Good Day to You All!!<BR>20=B0 here and little =
snow.<BR>But I=20
  am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.<BR>One that I always =
fail is=20
  Lupines, Russell hybrid. <BR>I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled =
sphagnum=20
  over the top. <BR>My growing room is around 65=B0. <BR>They germinate =
just fine=20
  but I always lose them to damping off. <BR><BR>Please suggest what I =
can do=20
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see that=20
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at=20
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temps;=20
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From pgraham@satx.rr.com  Mon Mar  3 22:45:29 2003
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:11:09 -0600
From: "Pamela Graham" <pgraham@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Lupines? Help!
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I only plant Lupines in the fall here in San Antonio and also in the
summer when they go to seed.  Pamie G.
=20
=20
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From: owner-propagation@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
Behalf Of Art Phinney
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:27 PM
To: propagation@hort.net
Subject: Re: Lupines? Help!
=20
 =20
WhtRos2@aol.com wrote:=20
Good Day to You All!!=20
20=B0 here and little snow.
"Little" is good!    Here we have only BIG.    This is going to be the
snowiest winter since 1878 (not sure of the exact date, but it's
somewhere in the 1800s.=20
 =20
But I am trying to think spring and start a few seeds.=20
One that I always fail is Lupines, Russell hybrid.=20
I soak them overnite and sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top.=20
My growing room is around 65=B0.=20
They germinate just fine but I always lose them to damping off.=20
Please suggest what I can do different?=20
=20
You say you put sphagnum moss on top but is the remainder of the tray
also sphagnum moss?    If not, that could be the answer.   Being sure,
of course, that the moss is protected from exposure to the world at
large (i.e., all of the things that float around in the air) until you
use it.    I used to have regular trouble with damping off, but once I
started using sphagnum moss I had no further trouble.=20
I've read they need darkness for gemination.=20
Can't see that that would make any difference with the damping off.=20
I'm not good at keeping a fan running.  Would that help?
Probably not necessary   I never used a fan.=20
 =20
I've also read lower temps; 55=B0 maybe?=20
=20
Can't hurt, but may not be necessary.=20
 =20
Or is my potting mix too wet?
Once again, less wet is probably better, but the pure moss may be the
only answer you need.=20
Incidentally, did I tell you that we moved?    In November, to an apt.
(condo) where I have only a space about 10 x 30 to garden.    Only about
10 miles from where we lived before.  My daughter is moving into the
"old" house, after a certain amount of remodeling, which is now taking
place.=20
Art=20
Thanx for your help.=20
Best Wishes as always, Barbara=20
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Of </span></b>Art Phinney<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Good Day to You =
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<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>20=B0 here and =
little snow.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;Little&quot; is good!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Here we
have only BIG.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is going to be the snowiest winter =
since
1878 (not sure of the exact date, but it's somewhere in the 1800s. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>But I =
am trying
to think spring and start a few seeds.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>One that I always =
fail is
Lupines, Russell hybrid.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>I soak them =
overnite and
sprinkle milled sphagnum over the top.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>My growing room is =
around 65=B0.</span></font>
<br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>They germinate just =
fine but I
always lose them to damping off.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Please suggest what I can do =
different?</span></font>
<br>
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>You say you put sphagnum moss on <u>top</u> =
but is the
remainder of the tray also sphagnum moss?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If not, that =
could
be the answer.&nbsp;&nbsp; Being sure, of course, that the moss is =
protected
from exposure to the world at large (i.e., all of the things that float =
around
in the air) until you use it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I used to have regular =
trouble
with damping off, but once I started using sphagnum moss I had no =
further
trouble. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I've read they need =
darkness for
gemination.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>Can't see that that =
would make
any difference with the damping off.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>I'm not good at =
keeping a fan
running.&nbsp; Would that help?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Probably not necessary&nbsp;&nbsp; I never =
used a fan.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; <br>
</span></font><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>I've =
also read
lower temps; 55=B0 maybe?</span></font> <br>
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Can't hurt, but may not be necessary. <br>
&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Or is my potting mix too =
wet?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Once again, less wet is probably better, but =
the pure
moss may be the only answer you need. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Incidentally, did I tell you that we
moved?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In November, to an apt. (condo) where I have =
only a
space about 10 x 30 to garden.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Only about 10 miles =
from where
we lived before.&nbsp; My daughter is moving into the &quot;old&quot; =
house,
after a certain amount of remodeling, which is now taking place. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Art <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanx for your =
help.</span></font> <br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>Best Wishes as =
always, Barbara</span></font>
<br>
<font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>USDA z5a, Rock =
Island, IL</span></font>
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