how about step seven? 7. List dies for a while ( as did to two lists im on) and a few months later after three or four posts from old members and moderately old members about how quiet the list had been for a few months ( the same question i asked to one list im on and suddenly after a thread i sent it livened up a bit) and the list starts going as it did from the start. BJ USDA zone 9, Sunset zone 17 Marina California