Re: deep shade evergreens
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- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:57:11 -0600
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Marge, would you nail the name of this one for me? Sounds neat. How does
it do in Z5b? Thanks!
"I have one of the dwarf nandinas...name escapes me just now...but it
has colorful leaves all year around here."
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From: PRIMROSES [s*@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of
Marge Talt
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:50 AM
To: shadegardens@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Re: [SG] deep shade evergreens
Harry, I totally forgot Kalmia! Glad you didn't as it is good for
shade, given acid soil.
Camellias are very iffy here, they can survive for a number of years
and then whammo - a really cold winter does them in. I have not even
tried them after a neighbor had her 20 year old stand wiped out one
year...lots of other things to try killing first:-) I understand,
tho', that there are some, now, that have been bred for colder
temperatures. I keep meaning to try to track them down one of these
days.
Despite Dirr's rather disparaging remarks about Mahonia bealii, I am
quite taken with the 3 bird sown babies I've found in my woods...love
their leaves.
You're right, bamboo will take quite a bit of shade. Some of the
smaller clump formers would be good for Nancy, if hardy for her. My
running variety is not at all picky about moisture and I assume most
are like it in that regard, but it gets a good 25 feet tall, which I
think is taller than Nancy had in mind.
I have one of the dwarf nandinas...name escapes me just now...but it
has colorful leaves all year around here, unlike N. domestica, who
only provides color on emerging foliage.
Ligustrum is only partially evergreen here and I doubt it would be at
all for Nancy. Mild winters, it will hold most of its leaves, but
most of the time only a few remain and they turn black, so I don't
think it would be a good choice. There's an evergreen Euonymous who
will grow in quite deep shade - very glossy dark green leaves, but I
don't think it would be very hardy north of me...deer also adore it;
munched mine to the ground so often they more or less gave up; just a
couple of stubs left with the odd leaf.
Had not heard of evergreen Kousa dogwoods! If you find out what they
are, do post it!
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@clark.net
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> From: Harry Abel <Shishi@AOL.COM>
> Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:44 AM
>
> hi marge
>
> nice list
> driving thru the maryland mountains at thanksgsiving reminded me
how
> wonderful stands of kalmia latifolia and rhodos look.
> is your part of mayland too cold for camellias??
> theyre the "stars" of our 7a gardens right now, and have shade
qualities like
> you mentioned, becoming more graceful and etherial in shade. we
have them
> thaT BLOOM FROM HALLOWEEN TILL EASTER,
> (oops, fat fingers)
> bamboos are all evergreen also, if you can respect their space
requirements.
> in particular, sasa japonica and veitchii, shibatea kumasaca.
> all of the dwarf variegated banboos will brighten up a small area
in shade,
> but will not be dense.
> mahonia, and he chinese mahonias all do well here.
> ilex crenata's sprout from seed everywhere as do the mahonia bealii
> wax leaf ligustrum is probly a tad sensitive for you.
> nandina domestica is great, but doesnt "fire up" in fall, so i
assume the
> smaller varities would do the same.
> also, not quite "evergreen" but colorfil all year are the water oak
> seedi\lings which hold their colored leaves all winter, and our
native beech,
> which holds it's light tan leaves until the new one push them off.
> snow doesnt help of course.
> rumour has it that here are a couple of evergreen kousa dogwoods
too !!!!!
>
> harry abel
