Sheila, Where is this nursery located??? Do they have an ee address? I would really prefer to start out with good rootstock and let them self-seed afterwards. Thanks for the info!! Clyde, In situ would be ideal if I cannot find established potted plants. Overwintering is a great idea!!! Thanks a heap! 'Cakes _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]