RE: McGarvey, Varner, & Cassebeer

Ellen mentioned the three hybridizers above in 
the "past" tense.  This is to correct that statement, 
and say Steve Varner was very much alive at my last 
report (he complained his address changed after 40+ 
years at the same place), and he didn't get his fall 
TSI.  For your information, Steve lives in the big 
metropolitan area of Monticello, Illinois, and is busy 
taking care of his lovely wife, Avon.  His garden is 
some of that rich black Illinois prarie soil, with top 
soil 10 - 12' deep in places, located in central 
Illinois.

Are you still packing, Ellen?

PS: you a life member of the Siberian Society, so don't 
worry about your dues being paid.

Howard
	
			
			
			
> Hi Leroy,
> 
> Well I can only speak from my experience as all of us do. I have SIBS
> hybridized in Mass. (a lot), Michigan (a whole lot),Canadian (not too
> many), Pennsylvania, Maine (a lot), Oregon and where ever McGarvey, Varner 
> and Cassebeer were from. I also have one SIB that was hybridized in England.
> 
> >My comments were more on growth and performance than survival.
> 
> My comments as well. I am talking about growth and performance. I just 
> bought every SIB that Jody Camille had in her stock. Then, I supplemented 
> with more and more from wherever. I ditched ERIC THE RED and MANDY MORSE 
> because I thought their first year growth was frankly not up to speed. They 
> both came from the Borbeleta catalogue when I didn't know any better and it 
> came free and I saw Siberians and ordered some. I think it was the stock and 
> not the cultivar - dunno.
> 
> >Burying deeper is a handy trick but I don't think it will guarantee 
> >perfomance.
> 
> Of course not. But I feel it gives them a leg up in our climate. Now I am 
> afraid to stop doing it. If it isn't broke, don't fix it school of 
> gardening.
> 
> >The list of customers with complaints is growing, the most common
> >exclamation is:
> 
> >How long before they bloom?
> 
> >I then ask when did you acquire the plant? More and more are saying >after 
> >3-4 years still no bloom.
> 
> I have had maybe at the most, two cultivars that took three years to
> bloom and they were tiny starts to begin with and NONE that ever took
> 4 years. I would ask how are they treating their new rhizomes? I water and 
> water the first year even tho' we get plenty of rain - I have been known to 
> water in the rain the first month after planting.
> 
> We have acid soil which is a plus for the apogons...but I still amend
> the soil with peat and compost and used to use manure. Our SIBS around here 
> are the best I have seen anywhere. I am speaking of New England
> in general. They looked stunted in Denver and were non-existent in Oklahoma 
> (at least in the display gardens).
> 
> Bye,
> 
> ellen
> 
> 
> 
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