Re: Re: Iris Encyclopedia


 

Hi Brook

What I am saying is that there needs to be a discussion about this Wiki thing and thank you for your thoughts
There is a major difference between the information on the AIS checklist or Irisregister.com and The Cumulative Check list of Siberian Irises and I can see no good reason why a WIKI cannot be attached to The Society for Siberian Iris web site as well as the AIS. Swapping all that information for a link does not make for a good digital business case for the SSI
What you are advocating also is Exclusivity in that the Twiki will be attached to the AIS web site and from what I have read and understand it will be AIS members only.Bob Pries emailed me in April about this matter and stated and I quote ""For example the original motion stated that the wiki will be within a AIS members only site and we will respect that. At some point we may or may not decide to have it open to anyone browsing the internet. But that decision will be made after we get something running and with the agreement of the board." Has this changed??
I have had feed back from several hybridisers of Siberian Irises (in the last 24 hour period) who generally do not care where the information is held or who controls the information but advocate strongly the the information is freely  available to all.
I can't guarantee that there will be a cost  to the SSI  just as you cannot guarantee that there will not be.
A siberian Iris wiki could also include seedlings that what a cumulative checklist is all about

I was just checking out http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/eroctuse2/Hollingworth%20Siberian%20Iris%20Garden%202009/?action="">view&current=IMG_9316.jpg
when you email came in. Amazing photos may you live a long life
Kind Regards Terry Johnson


 


Brock Heilman wrote:

 

lol Oops! I didn't mean to say I would be stopping anything with the wiki. I meant to say that I won't be giving up. I will keep working to complete all of the median entries and continue on after that wherever I'm needed.

Brock

--- In sibrob@yahoogroups.com, "Brock Heilman" <brockheilman@...> wrote:
>
> A very Happy New Year to you as well!
>
> It saddens me to hear the way you feel regarding the wiki. I respect your opinion and I appreciate that you share it freely.
>
> I personally believe that this wiki is bigger than any sections or cooperating societies and that all will benefit from it's creation. I don't believe that exclusivity will benefit anyone, nor do I believe that supporting it will come at any cost to the SSI or any other groups.
>
> The information is already available to anyone that wants it in the checklists, R&I's, and irisregister.com. I don't believe it was ever any single group's to keep or share exclusively. The wiki is simply going to condense, organize, and publicize. I don't mean to be argumentative, I just felt I should say that I don't view the wiki as competition or a threat.
>
> All said, I've nearly completed the entry of B's for all median classes in the wiki. I'll be stopping with the completion of Z. ;)
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> Btw, I really like that pedigree feature!
>
> Brock
>
> --- In sibrob@yahoogroups.com, "tjnzatwork" <tjatwork@> wrote:
> >
> > HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL
> >
> > This subject of the Iris encyclopedia needs to be discussed within the
> > SSI and it is important that the Society for Siberian Iris gets more
> > air . Why not start our own Wiki for Siberians as the SSI checklist is
> > the best example of a Cumulative Check list that I have seen so why
> > should all that hard work be to the advantage of another Iris
> > Society.There is a mountain of photos of siberians within the membership
> > and as we are well aware the culture of Siberian Irises is relatively
> > young and most of the legendary Hybridisers are still alive to place
> > there own thoughts on their fantastic breeding efforts, so Why not???
> > The Daffodil Society started a site Daffseek <http://daffseek.org/>
> > just pull down the Division and select and then select a country press
> > 'submit query' and "Voilà" Check out the Pedigree Chart.
> >
> > If we have an asset in our society we should think seriously before we
> > give it away,which is what Bob is asking, and if we do give it away how
> > hard will it be for the Society for Siberian Iris to stay relevant in
> > this digital world.
> >
> > As our Cumulative Check list is already digital in the form of a word
> > doc it would only take weeks to get a wiki type function attached to our
> > existing Web Site.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In sibrob@yahoogroups.com, Robert Pries <robertpries@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a new site under development that needs your help. The Americn
> > Iris Society is creating an online encyclopedia of Iris. If you are
> > familiar with the wikipedia than you know what the potential is for this
> > site. At first glance you may think it is only and online illustrated
> > checklist of every type of Iris. You would be correct but it will be
> > much more. There are 65,000 entries in the AIS checklists and ultimately
> > all will have their own page, up to 20 pictures for each and a chance
> > for scores of people to add information. Presntly we have a small crew
> > that in the last couple of monthes have put up over 1,000 cultivars but
> > our goal is to have at least 10,000 pages up before it appears to the
> > world on the AIS website. Presently the beginning of the alphabet has
> > the most entries and medians and MDBs have the most pages up. We need
> > your help to give the Siberians the representation they deserve. I
> > invite you to visit the beginnings and see if you would like to be a
> > part of this monumental venture. If so send me an e-mail at
> > robertpries@ and let me know. but first go to this url and take a
> > look:
> > >
> > > http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ellen Gallagher" ellengalla@
> > > To: sibrob@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:26:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> > Eastern
> > > Subject: [sibrob] test message
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Happy Holidays!
> > >
> >
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