Re: [SpaceAgeRobin] SA seedling


Donald,
 
Sorry I misread your post and thought you bloomed the SOLAR FIRE X THORNBIRD seedling today ;-)  I guess it's still a bit early for that.  I have a feeling the SA genetics are going to be more complicated than just the dosage factor but we'll see as the years go by and our test crosses bloom.  Even if we don't work with the exact same cultivars, I'm sure we have fun comparing notes as groups of seedlings bloom. 
 
Chris
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SpaceAgeRobin] SA seedling

Chris,
 
Do you mean a photo of the Tbird seedling?  It's 'Dark Magician' per your son.  You posted a clump photo on the website.  But as to the difference in the attachments of the appendages, here are two details of the seedling (different years, different camera) and one of SOLAR FIRE.  SF heads skyward at the tip of the beard; the seedling appendage has that membrane that runs attached down the falls before it turns loose and becomes separate from the falls.
 
I really hope the SAGE project gets some information on how the appendages work.  I gathered that crossing two SAs often gives a mess.  But there seem to be a lot of unknowns concerning what's at work on the appendages.  Here the seedlings both have THORNBIRD as a common parent.  I'm certain the unknown on my Tbird seedling would not have been an SA.  I don't grow a lot of SAs and until this cross avoided trying two together.  I'd guess more is at work than even SAGE has addressed.  Though it's probable something similar gives these blooms the appendages, something also is making them take a very different form in how they are expressed.  The seedling is extremely consistant in giving the appendages and the appendages are nearly always very similar.  Toward the end of the clump blooming some turn to horns and on the last blooms they drop off.  SF, on the other hand, only had appendages on the first few blooms, then they began to drop off a fall or two and the last blooms had none.  Losing appendages, I think, is a combination of weather, plant strength and genes.  Even with really good weather, most that I grow will drop the SA characteristic pretty quickly after the first blooms.  THORNBIRD is one that retains them longer, but this seedling is easily the most consistant in keeping them - and keeping them all alike on every fall petal - than any other SA that I've grown.  Maybe it's just well adapted to my conditions since it was hatched here, or maybe it is just more stable.  With the cross I made, though, the interest to me is how the appendage will manifest in the blooms.  A curiosity cross without regard to anything else.
 
Donald
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SpaceAgeRobin] SA seedling

Hi Donald,
 
Did you grab a photo of it ?  I'm very curious.
 
Chris


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