The most interesting IMHO of today's (early am) postings. You should try subscribing again. I haven't contributed anything to most of the lists, but it would be fun to see your contributions. Love, J
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- Subject: MM-brief comment about theme
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- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:42:22 -0500 (CDT)
I'll preface this brief comment by saying that I have never participated in any critical discussion of Middlemarch before, nor have I read any criticism recently. I'm not sure about the theme of "usefulness" as Ellen mentioned, though it is clear that the character Dorothea wants to live a "useful" life; my impression in analyzing the first few chapters is that death (symbolized by Casaubon) and re-birth (Ladislaw), and their connection to the female soul, are major themes. Rachel Youdelman
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- Subject: MM: Dorothea an irritating character?
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- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:58:42 -0500 (CDT)
Ellen asked who finds Dorothea irritating. I don't so much find her irritating as feel frustration for her. She seems to be courting death itself. Her idealism won't allow her to led a useful, meaningful life; her idealistic notions are futile; she is spinning her wheels in the sand, because no matter how grandly she plans, there are men ("patriarchs") in the drawing room, making "interjectory asides" about women : "I like a woman who lays herself out a little more to please us;" "There should be a little devil in a woman;" "There is a lightness about the feminine mind..." So while admiring her idealism and aspiration, we feel an irritating sense that Dorothea is doomed before she begins. She practices asceticism, punishing herself and leading to her courting of Death, Mr Casaubon. Mrs Cadwallader perceives Dorothea's masochism when she says "...I wish her joy of her hair shirt." Rachel Youdelman
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- Subject: Re: _Mm_, The Problem as Posed
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- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:59:08 -0500 (CDT)
ELLEN MOODY wrote: > > Duffy asks why do I "suppose George Eliot sides with > Dorothea on this big point rather than with the Rector." > > Yes they fail, but their trying is the book. That's > why we are to love them. It's the driving motive > of the book. Yes, but are we to love them? Or are we to be reminded continually that George Eliot succeeded where Dorothea failed? So far, no-one in the novel strikes me as worthy of admiration, except of course for the narrator. (I would be very interested to see the textual support, based on what we've read so far, for the claim that the narrator admires Dorothea.) I suspect, at the end of this reading, I will again pity Dorothea and Lydgate but am not sure I will ever love either. As for the Rector -- I don't hold out much hope for a sympathetic approach to his outlook on life. It took lesser writers, like McClean and Hemingway, to make religion out of trout fishing. That sort of thing seems to be beneath Ms. Eliot. Duffy
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- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:59:33 -0500 (CDT)
Duffy Pratt writes If the goal is to be "really, truly, seriously, useful," does anyone doubt that Dorothea is doomed to failure? (Isn't the goal itself a symptom of Dorothea's vanity?) I don't think the goal is a symptom of D's vanity so much as it is a symptom of being a woman in a world of limited choices. She has rather more freedom to choose a mate without the interference of the older generation. Even Alice Vavasour (Trollope, 1864), who is, to my mind, one of the most independent-minded mid-Victorian heroines has to tolerate who is it? Lady Midlothian? (D's uncle belongs to what I think of as the Mr. Bennet school of fatherhood: men who hide in their libraries or clubs while their daughters try to make their way in the marriage market. At least Lizzie Bennet had a no-nonsense mother.) But how far beyond the choice of a mate does D's freedom extend? Not very. D's evangelicalism strikes me as having little to do with God and much to do with wanting a calling. The word carries both sacred and secular connotations. I have always felt about Dorothea that she would have considerably less interest in God if she had just a little more to do. One of the things that happens between Jane Austen and George Eliot is that heroines look upon marriage less as an economic safe harbor and more as an acceptable way of being active in the world. Alice Vavasour would enter parliament if she could. But she can't, and must be content with the prospect of marrying an MP and living a political life vicariously. Trollope is filled with such women. Dorothea is of a piece with them, except that her provincial world is, well, more provincial. And like many women before her, her inner passion finds expression in renunciation. Or so she would like. I agree with Lesley Hall that try as she might, D is drawn to the jewels and fascinated by their intrinsic beauty at the same time that she rejects the value that society places upon being seen with the baubles attached to one's person. But GE reminds us that D "had not reached that point of renunciation at which she would have been satisfied with having a wise husband: she wished, poor child, to be wise herself." What is the tone of that "poor child"? Surely it isn't merely a matter of immaturity for a young woman to want wisdom of her own? I noticed this time around that D's hands are "powerful, feminine, maternal hands" (iv). In this first book it's easy to forget or fail to notice or discount the ways in which D is a powerful woman, at least potentially. If Duffy's right and she's "doomed to failure" I don't think it's because she wants to be truly, seriously useful. I think it's because in choosing Causabon she chose badly. _______________ Jo Ann Citron jacitron@msn.com
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- Subject: MM, I -- Mrs. Cadwallader
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- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:59:59 -0500 (CDT)
GE is so often considered the voice of morality and high seriousness that we tend not to pay enough attention to a tongue that can be quite as sharp as Austen's. Don't miss the great lines from Mrs. Cadwallader: When Sir James says that Casaubon has no red blood in him, she replies, "No. Somebody put a drop under a magnifying-glass, and it was all semicolons and parentheses. . . . he dreams footnotes and they run away with all his brains." (viii) She says Casaubon "looks like a death's head skinned over for the occasion" and that "he is as bad as the wrong physic -- nasty to take, and sure to disagree." (x) I think Mrs. Cadwallader is my favorite character thus far. _______________________ Jo Ann Citron jacitron@msn.com
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