What interests me most is that A.
cucullata is itself (together with A. macrorrhizos) something of
an enigma. It is not known in the wild and throughout its 'natural' range is
only ever found in association with human disturbance. Those of you familiar
with Thailand and Indo-China will have seen it most often planted in the
compounds of Buddhist temples where it is favoured as 'lucky' or, if you ask
older monks and nuns, because it is believed to protect the temple from evil
spirits and well as bad luck. In Lao I have seen it planted for the same purpose
around the communal rice stores in villages of several of the hill tribe
My point here is that in all probability A.
cucullata is a stabilized culton of perhaps A. odora (which is
indigenous and widespread throughout the 'range' of A. cucullata)
maintained for the most part by human intervention, or maybe a hybrid of A.
odora and/or A. macrorrhizos. There is a possibility that what we
are witnessing is a 'reversion' to the progenitor or one of the progeniting
parents. However, I hasten to add that I am no geneticist and that is this all,
perhaps fanciful, speculation.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:42
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid/
Alocasia cucullata (Lour) G. Don
I highly suspect you'll find the Alocasia cucullata clone which Tony
under cultivation in North Carolina (available thru PDN) to be of
I was so convinced a layout error had occurred when I first came across
image that I sent Tony an email, about a month ago,
suggesting someone had
swapped his images of A. cucullata and A. odora.
Here follows Tony's reply*:
"I checked the images and believe it or not, they are not reversed.
Our oldest clumps of A. cucculata changed appearance dramatically as they
matured to look more like a dwarf clump of A. odora that what we typically
think of as A. cucculata. We were quite surprised, but the two photos of
A. cuculata are the same clone...just several years apart. If you look
close you'll see few immature leaves toward the top and note that even the
mature leaves still have the characteristic twisted tip of A. cuculata.
The plant pictured as A. odora is actually correct also, although it is
photographed early in the season. I wouldn't believe this either unless
I'd seen the plants in person and took the photos. Both id's have been
confirmed in person by quite a few aroid authorities."
Are we witnessing a spontaneous mutation, coincidentally
and an ocean apart? Is this particular variation
genetically encoded in one or
more lines of Alocasia cucullata, i.e. do these two individual plants in
HI and NC
somehow share common ancestry? I leave it to finer minds
than my own to decipher.
*TA: my apologies for posting this without your prior
On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Denis Rotolante wrote:
Could proposed natural hybrid merely be an
aneuploid or polyploid seedling of Alocasia cucullata with thicker, broader
leaves and more pronounced interveinal puckering? Whatever it is it is an
improvement over plain old A. cucullata. See if it gets bigger than the
standard cucullata when it matures.
Silver Krome Gardens
The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem
to have both
part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia
But i don't think that the last pic(but pic
number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round
all plants that i know.This plant seem more a
for me.And if i know that some cross were
made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be
possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007
Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural
I thought this might be of interest to some of
you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of
something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this
new plant came from.
In our yard, here on Oahu, we have
a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also
have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'.
While clearing out some white ginger that
was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was
definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I
cleared around it and let it grow.
It's now been about 8 months since this
discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting
The blades are developing an interesting
pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more
pronounced with each new blade as they harden off.
I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains
the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea.
My only explanation for this plant is that
it must be a natural hybrid of the two.
Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata
been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and
what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia?
Thanks, Windy Aubrey
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