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[Aroid-l] Ron and Brian`s photos/hybrids?

From : 	brian lee <lbmkjm@yahoo.com>
Reply-To : 	Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
Sent : 	Friday, August 3, 2007 5:54 PM
To : 	Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
Subject : 	Re: [Aroid-l] Brazil seedling pics

Dear Philophyles,

Well noted!
Ron Weeks' photo of a beautiful specimen w/ a light pink spathe AND spadix, 
and very divided leaves with extra thin divisions is VERY different to the 
millions of P. 'selloum' sold in Florida cloned out of tissue culture.   All 
of those that I have seen in bloom (and I`ve seen MANY!) have a very large, 
banana/plantain-like, all-green on the exterior spathe, with a cream-white 
interior, NOTHING like the infloresence in Ron`s beautiful photo.   Ron`s 
note of the odor from his plant as being different to any he has experienced 
from ANY of the Philodendrons he has encountered (and I warrant that Ron has 
stuck his nose into MANY blooms!) also tells us that this is either a hybrid 
or perhaps a form/var. of P. bipinnatifidium sold by the Brazilian source.   
If we get lucky, just maybe in our lifetimes Dr. Eduardo Goncalves might 
sort all this out, as he has done with several of the other issues that 
plagued us for years!   It is something to look forward to!
Thanks to Brian Williams and Ron Weeks for kindly sharing their photos with 
the list!

The Best,


>>Dear Philodendron enthusiasts,

Aloha.  I have been seeing a great deal of hybrids
that originate out of Brazilian ex-situ collections.
I suspect that because they still have native
pollinators, these collections will probably hybridize
in a promiscuous fashion with a whole range of
variation of whatever is around and compatible
genetically.  Unless great care is exercised during
pollination, hybrids in these collection may be
expected.  I have seen a Philodendron adamantinum
photo in Roberto Burle-Marx's collection that is a
possible hybrid...if one did not know the species
variations, this could be passed as a pure species.
It remains beautiful, but it would differ from a
vegetative propagation of the described species.  This
is just one example...

--- Ron Weeks <rhweeks@attglobal.net> wrote:

>The seed I received produced the same diversity
>Brian found. I threw most  of them out after growing them to up to a 6" pot
>size and kept about 10  that showed some potential to be different. My
>selections have less  division in the leaf blade and almost white veins
>with a blush of red on  the back of the leaf. Several flowered this spring.
>All the inflorescences  had spathes shorter than the spadix and produced a
>fragrance unlike any  other philodendron I have encountered. They might
>just be forms of  bipinnatifidum but I suspect they are hybrids.
>Perhaps the attached photo  will explain it better than I do.
>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:49:06 -0400, Brian Williams
><pugturd@alltel.net>  wrote:
> > Here are some pics of the Philodendrons seedlings
>I grew out form that
> > Brazilian seed order a few years back. Most of
>these were under
> > different names some were suppose to be forms of
>Selloum but I think
> > most are either forms of Selloum (bipinnatifidum)
>or hybrids. I have
> > never grown out so many philo seeds to get so much
>diversity. I did get
> > 4 vining forms of philos from that order that did
>grow out. Most if not
> > all look identical and though not all were true to
>their named tagged
> > they were forms I had ordered.
> >
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