Re: Mostera deliciosa--info. on different clones.

**E* S* <l*@yahoo.com>**

Here is the small leaf form we have in the collection.
It has grown about 15ft up a tree. It is currently
flowering and fruiting. In the last photo you can see
seedlings ferminating at the base of the tree.

http://tinyurl.com/5vlzz5

http://tinyurl.com/68ebde

http://tinyurl.com/5p3u8r

Eric
Orlando,FL

--- ju-bo@msn.com wrote:

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> > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm@yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa
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> Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles,
> 
> Aloha.
> Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great
> information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa
> Madison states that "Several of the wild clones
> which are not widely grown are dwarf forms,
> achieving olny one third the size of the common
> ones."   The synonyms he lists are also interesting,
> and food for someone with a better computer that I
> own to investigate.   First off, the ''correct''
> name is Monstera deliciosa  Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk,
> Meddel  19: 9 (1849).  The synonyms Madison lists
> are, in order--M. borsigiana  Engler [could this
> name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms
> which we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had
> this name attached???]; M. lennea  Koch; Monstera
> tacanensis  Matuda; Philodendron pertusum Kunth &
> Bouche; (???) and Tornelia fragrans  Guttierez.   To
> me it would be an interesting exercise to attempt to
> determine the ''why'' concerning these great
> taxonomists describing another specimen of such a
> VERY distinctive plant as a new species.   If 
>  we could view the specimens involved, we just might
> learn that some of them, especially those of Koch,
> that of Matuda and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller
> dwarf forms which to them might have seemed to be
> distinct.
> I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa  Kunth & Bouche
> is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) this this
> is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does
> resemble Monstera deliciosa.
> Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time!
> Aloha.
> 
> Good Growing,
> 
> Julius
> 
> >>Dear Jason,
> 
>   Aloha.
>   I took a quick look at the cover of the first
> Aroidiana online and did not see Monstera
> deliciosa...so perhaps the caption is correct...but
> I am not familiar with Monstera acuminata, so unless
> I can check the description and herbarium sheet of a
> vouchered specimen..I could not verify this species.
> I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera acuminata
> K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew.
> Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at
> the photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii
> somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid
> profile of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is
> where that memory popped in. I do not believe there
> is chaos in this case.  
>   Aloha,
>   Leland<< 
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> > 
> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail
> <mossytrail@hctc.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: mossytrail <mossytrail@hctc.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa
> > > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM
> > > >It
> > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the part
> about
> > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first plant
> > > featured on
> > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a little
> more
> > > work to
> > > > do!  
> > > >
> > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in
> Monstera
> > > names"?  According to the caption, that cover
> features
> > > "An
> > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with
> Monstera
> > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and
> Philodendron
> > > radiatum."
> > > 
> > > Jason Hernandez
> > > Naturalist-at-Large
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