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Re: an apolgy if it is order

  • Subject: Re: an apolgy if it is order
  • From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat@mobot.org>
  • Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:46:28 -0500



            You are right Windy and I had not even thought about the possibility that Holly could be a man, rather than a lady.  I went to graduate school with Holly Andrews, very much a man.




From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Windy Aubrey
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:40 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order


Gee, friends could we please not consider this a sexist thing, just because the name 'Holly' is attached. 

Calling this person a witch and other degrading female equivalence are equally offensive.  I too am a female, but consider myself a 'person' equal to all human being, not lesser in anyway because of my sex. 

Personally, being in my 50's, it is kind of hard to get over the old-time thought that women are lesser than someone with external plumbing!

If someone is a nut for their outlandish opinion, they are a nut.  It doesn't have anything to do with their sex. 

Maybe some of you who have responded in this manner should get over it.



Windy Aubrey, an aroid enthusiast, not a ball buster!




From: Peter Boyce

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order




I live in a country where we constantly struggle to get our students to read..... believe me...you can NEVER read too much. I have worked with aroids in one way or another for 30+ years; professionally for 20+ years... I read about aroids, any aroids, every day. And every day I learn something new...this week so far I have learned something new about pollination, the way roots glue themselves to rocks and how the shoot tips of a rheophytes resist water flow in spate. Tom, who has just tuned 70, has worked on aroids for over 40 years... he reads every day... Josef has worked on aroids nerly 50 years... he reads every day... and I would bet that they too are constantly learning new things.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:56 PM

Subject: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order


To everyone on Aroid l,


If any apology for some of my comments or questions on Aroid l is in order, I gladly offer it.


I received a very disturbing message tonight with a direct copy (slightly edited) that I posted on this forum about my construction of my epiphyte tree.  The message came from a person whose name showed up as Holly Cooper.  I do not know Holly but she has posted a similar message once before on the GardenWeb.  In that case, another individual had requested a photo of Anthurium cubense.  I had taken a photo of Denis' plant which was tagged Anthurium cubense with Leland Miyano standing with it at the 2007 IAS Aroid Show.  As it turned out, Leland later pointed out the vein count on that plant did not match Dr. Croat's scientific description so we learned later that plant is not a full species and liekly a hybrid.  The moderators of the GardenWeb forum took down her post since it referred to me by a strong term.


If I have irritated any of you with my constant comments and questions, I sincerely apologize.  I am only a student of aroid botany and constantly ask questions in order to learn.  I don't believe anyone can find any place on my website or on the net where I have ever claimed to be an expert in plants.  I just study them, ask a lot of questions of Dr. Croat, Leland and Julius and I probably read too much.  The only aroid experts I know are the ones I try to accurately quote in my internet articles.


This is what I received from Ms. Cooper.  I have purposely removed her email address:


From Holly Cooper:


Here is a link that might be useful:  http://www.pompousasswords.com/www/index.htm


YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The people you so religiously quote are ashamed to be associated with you.  Yes!  It's true!  Emails are flying behind your back!  You are the absolute shame of the UBC horticultural site.  NO ONE wants to be associated with you but out of pity they endure your presence.  STOP GRANDSTANDING.  CAN YOU NOT HEAR THE LAUGHTER??????????????????


Again, my apologies if I have offended anyone on Aroid l.  It was certainly not intended.


Steve Lucas

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