Re: Fw: Epiphytes. And I may be nuts!

**b* l* <l*@yahoo.com>**

Dear Steve,

Aloha.  I found an email address for a pteridologist,
Robbin C. Moran, who works at NYBG...rmoran@nybg.org. 
You may want to ask his opinion about Huperzia
nummularifolia or Lycopodium nummularifolium.  I can
only say that when I read the keys on Huperzia and
Lycopodium, your plants are clustered, without a
horizontal rhizome...which would place them in
Huperzia.  I am not an expert in this matter, but I am
following Ollgaard's revision....maybe Tropicos does
not.

Aloha,

Leland

--- brian lee <lbmkjm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Steve,
> 
> Aloha.  
> 
> According to TROPICOS,  the correct name is,
> Huperzia
> phlegmaria(L.) Rothm. but this is for the acuminate
> scaled plant in your photo.  You also have a
> Huperzia
> nummularifolia ( I am less sure about the species
> spelling) in your photos, which are the rounded
> overlapping scaled, plant in your photos.  
> 
> Now, you are always quick to state that something is
> incorrect if it differs from TROPICOS.  TROPICOS is
> only as current as the data input.  Then  there are
> the professional differences of opinion among
> botanists.  From what I have read of the later
> pteridologists, many of them follow the revision of
> Lycopodiaceae of Ollgaard, 1987.  In that treatment,
> the genus, Lycopodium has a horizontal rhizome.  In
> the genus, Huperzia, this characteristic is absent
> and
> the stems originate in clusters from a common
> point...like both of your plants.  There are fertile
> characters to key out, but, this one character is
> diagnostic...if you accept Ollgaard's revision. 
> Like
> I always say, taxonomy and botany are processes. 
> Authors express their opinion and peers review and
> accept or reject their findings.
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Leland
> --- ExoticRainforest <Steve@ExoticRainforest.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > According to TROPICOS the basionym is Huperzia
> > phlegmaria (L.) Rothm. and the other names are
> > synonyms.  You can check it and if I read this
> > incorrectly I'll make a correction.
> > 
> > http://www.tropicos.org/Name/26603438
> > 
> > Steve
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Windy Aubrey 
> >   To: Discussion of aroids 
> >   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:55 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Epiphytes. And I may
> be
> > nuts!
> > 
> > 
> >   Hi Steve and Leland,
> > 
> >   This is Huperzia phlegmaria, not H.
> > nummularifolia.
> >   H.nummularifolia has scales that are rounder,
> and
> > lay down a bit more that 
> >   H. phlegmaria.  Kind of similar, but definitely
> a
> > different species.
> > 
> >   Windy
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: "brian lee" <lbmkjm@yahoo.com>
> >   To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
> >   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:32 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Epiphytes. And I may
> be
> > nuts!
> > 
> > 
> >   > Dear Steve,
> >   >
> >   > Aloha.
> >   >
> >   > From your small photo, your species looks like
> >   > Huperzia nummilarifolia...  This is looking at
> a
> >   > sterile plant...but, it is a distinctive
> > species.
> >   >
> >   > Aloha,
> >   >
> >   > Leland
> >   >
> >   > --- ExoticRainforest
> > <Steve@ExoticRainforest.com>
> >   > wrote:
> >   >
> >   >> Thanks Windy.  I'm already enjoying it more
> > than I
> >   >> can say.  And I had another kind soul tell me
> > today
> >   >> Lycopodiums were club mosses so I've spent
> much
> > of
> >   >> the day reading about club moss.  I can't
> find
> > an
> >   >> accurate scientific name for the intertwined
> > species
> >   >> I have now posted a sharper image of on the
> > page.
> >   >> If any of you have a good idea, please
> forward
> > it to
> >   >> me!
> >   >>
> >   >> Thanks!
> >   >>
> >   >> Steve Lucas
> >   >>
> >   >>
> >   >>
> >   >>   Well, Steve you don't have to die to go to
> > heaven,
> >   >> because you are in heaven now!  Absolutely
> >   >> beautiful!!!!
> >   >>   Look forward to watching it grow, so please
> > keep
> >   >> sharing images of the progress.
> >   >>   Windy
> >   >>
> >   >>   PS: Lycopodium is a club moss.
> >   >> >
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