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Aroideana and the Newsletter.

  • Subject: Aroideana and the Newsletter.
  • From: "Ron Iles" <roniles@eircom.net>
  • Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:37:01 -0500 (CDT)

If I'm allowed, here are my latest two PENNIES.  Aroid L is open to all
people whether or not they are IAS Members.   If the talk on Aroid L is
readable, informative, helpful, welcoming, friendly fun as it has been for
me, maybe EVERYBODY who talks or listens can become sufficiently inspired to
join us in the IAS?     Should not Aroideana, a MORE FORMAL(?) publication
and the (MORE INFORMAL) Newsletter together be interesting, informative and
readable to attract and impress ALL Members?   Aroid L although it needn't
be either is often both.  The three Arenas are surely not exclusive to each
other?  but educationally and for the purposes of promotion of their e but
partly interdependent in enhancing readership?  Aroideana is a JOURNAL for
the publication of key "Scientific Papers".   Individual "Papers" may or may
not be relevant to their PRESENT interests but as one learns, they may
become useful later.  I am a Chartered Member of the Institute of Biology.
Its Members range from Associates to Fellows with a huge range of interests
and abilities.  The "Papers", specialised, technical and general are all of
very high Scientific quality.  There are discussions, "Letters via the
Editor" stimulated by the "Papers" as well as peripheral advertisements etc.
In the Publication there is always something for everyone but most is NOT
for everyone!    Obviously Technical Treatises have to be definitive and
their is limit to how "popular" they can be.   The Status of Aroideana
depends on Scientific accuracy and unambiguity, the excellence of its
Papers. The IAS Newsletter seems presently to be a nebulous jack of all
trades and a servant for too few.  Does it need new specifications to help
frustrated long suffering Editors?    I would suggest that the Newsletter
should contain peripheral and on-going information not as suitable for
Aroideana.  In "attachments" who's who, their interests, collection lists of
genera and species, Members' Births!, Marriages, Deaths, Life Changes, Lists
of Wants, Surplus & Exchanges, Reports of developments in Horticulture, of
Journeys into the Forest if they come back,  advice on growing, Sources,
good and plants, Public Botanic Garden specialisms and whether they are
commercial accessible to Specialist Collectors, Warnings, Group Trips, Group
Strategies. etc   It might also re-structure the best of what sometimes is
otherwise "lost" in the PUBLIC Aroid LEnthusiast "Advertising" Site and
information which is more for or ONLY for Members NOT the World, his Wife
and Big Brother?

Surely Aroid L ought increasingly to attract new and lapsed old Members to
Membership Support of the IAS.  It works so hard to promote the Plants and
enthusiasm by talking about them on the net.  I do notice that some of the
many contributors to Aroid L, previously me too were or still are NOT
Members. Maybe for some it's a shopping site for just rarities for which
they could surely be IAS members?  (The IAS Membership List may not be up to
date?   Please EVERYBODY join and we CAN get the things which mostly suit
everyone happening FOR EVERYBODY.  It would be a mistake to popularise down?
It would be discouraging to me if  found that the occasional Papers in
Aroideana were not definitive.   Maybe more fine pictures, diagrams, details
of habitat etc etc would make the most technical MORE definitive yet more
appealling and readable? Should not content quality, relevance, and
readability be RAISED for all three arenas?   I apologise for lowering the
tone of Aroid L with too many chuckles.   I'll do better with your help and
suggestions in the Newsletter and try to raise the tone of everything you
need me to!   It's now after midnight again.   This is addictive!  All you
quiet spectators out there!  Please!   Identify yourself!  Speak!  Big
Brothers and Sisters become IAS Members and we'll help you with YOUR
problems too!   Please!
How about putting the Newsletter on a Membership only site structured and
synergised strategically to attract more and more Members?   Let's keep
improving everything and making it easy to find wot's wot, when, how, why
and where?

I'm serious this time.   Got any Spaths for the Ark?  I'm shopping and I'm a


----- Original Message -----
From: "Betsy Feuerstein" <ecuador@midsouth.rr.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" <aroid-l@mobot.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter

 It was my impression that Aroideana was to be scientific and the Newletter
to be the flip side of the coin. I would like to see some growing in
Aroideana, but to clutter it with amateur 'stuff' might take away from its
professional approach. In fact, years ago, it was held to that strict
standard. What has changed in the big world to alter this? I will be the
first to say, that I read very little of the scientific stuff, but it does
have its place. I like
| the folksy, friendly, plant growing, collecting, human aspects that come
through in the Newsletters of the past. When the Newsletter becomes just a
more timely addenda to Aroideana, then I think we have left out the backbone
of this organization, the little guy who just loves his Aroids. We need to
have a place for growing questions and answers, observations of plant
people, just talk of plants and the fun of the comraderie of such
communication. The
| Newsletter needs to be an extension of Aroid L banter. David Leedy ever so
many years ago, did such a great job of putting the human side of plants
onto paper. Now, I know this was before Email, but I looked forward to
getting the Newsletter and to reading it. I look at the photos in Aroideana
and if something catches my eye, I read further. I want to read the
Newsletter, not a two minute Oh, and done.
| I guess what I am saying is it is the grower, little guy who is the
backbone of this organization, the guy or gal who just loves plants, and
that is not what is being honored with its publications. Now, I know some of
you enjoy the scientific stuff and that is great, but many of us just want
down to earth dirty plant stuff so it is my hope that the Newletter will
become some new form of meeting that desire to communicate the growing
stuff, the little guy
| fun stuff. Let's put the fun in the Newsletter and the scientific stuff in
the Aroideana and then all the needs get met. Just don't forget the desires
of the guy who pays the bills in general. Some Aroid L stuff could be
incorporated into the Newletter to get material for print. If its good, it
is worth seeing again. And let's get some FUN into the Newsletter!
| There are many who do the day to day drudgery work of this organization
and I would like to see them get credit for what they do and then remember
the ones who just have the steady hand in growing and getting this stuff out
there. Dewey is the one who comes to mind and we could make it where when
things are available, they could be mentioned so all could have a chance.
Not all have computers and they are at a distinct disadvantage because they
do not get
| Aroid L. It might be that those that do have computers could get their
Newsletter that way and the others get it via snail mail. That could cut
down on the printing and mailing costs.
| I don't know how others might like things, but I think now that we are
going to have a new person doing the Newsletter, now is the time to put our
ideas on the table. Neal's first Newsletter was fantastic with all of the
pictures. I know it is one heck of a lot of work but whoever does it, I
would rather see it regularly with a bit less than to see it so rarely. We
need to get back as an organization that fulfills what it says it does. If
it is four times
| a year, then it should be four times a year. If it is two pages, once a
month, then it should come out once a month. We need to get our act
| Now, others please chip in and give your two cents worth of ideas so that
we can get things moving.
| Thanks,
| Betsy
| StellrJ@aol.com wrote:
| > In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Peter Boyce" <p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk> writes:
| >
| > << I am getting very
| > concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based
| > and that it will turn folks off.>>
| >
| > Well, if it makes you feel better, the science is what keeps me
subscribed.  Were it not for the science articles, I would more likely
switch to Biotropica or one of the other, bigger journals.  But, since IAS
is for ALL aroid enthusiasts, I agree that horticultural writing belongs
here, too.  So all you expert (or at least comptent) growers (that lets me
out!) write up your stuff!  (That reminds me -- I've got to work more on
that S. kotoensis piece.)
| >
| > Jason Hernandez
| > Naturalist-at-Large

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