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Re: Aroid-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 39

  • Subject: Re: Aroid-L Digest, Vol 39, Issue 39
  • From: Tindomul Er-Murazor <tindomul1of9@yahoo.com>
  • Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:44:54 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you. Interesting info here. The close relatioinship between extant African and Indian sp. could lead me to believe that Gondwana, or the Indian plate at least would have been a center of origin? If there were any South American sp. one could possible compare the Indian sp. to the SA species to help get better estimates of age of diversification. 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:29:47 +0800
From: "Peter Boyce"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Biogeography of Arisaema
To: "Discussion of aroids"
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In all probablility the ancestor of Arisaema and Pinellia was transpangaen and the enormous Asian diversification happened post India slamming into Asia to push up the Hmalaya, with the extant species in Japan are derived from ancestral stocks standed on Japan when the seaway between Japan and mainland Asia flooded.

The centres are not definite known centres of origin, they are centres of modern diversity... diversity in a region doesn't necessarily mean that the taxa there are autocthanous (although they often are); it may be the result of rapid recent evolution as seems to be the case with Schismatoglottis and Alocasia in Borneo.

To my mind the most interesting Arisaema are those in Africa and the Arabian gulf; the former seem to be isolates from a much once greater range of diversity that probably underwent extensive extictions as much of the lowland forest dried out and the mesophytic herbs retreated with the forest into everwet montane areas. Interesting is that the exteant African taxa are seemilgly most closely related to species from southern Indian. On the other hand the Arabian Gulf species are a mix of otherwise African isolates (A. bottae - elsewhere in the mountains of Somalia) and fragments of once greater ranges of otherwise Chinese species (A. flavum).

----- Original Message -----
From: Tindomul Er-Murazor
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Biogeography of Arisaema

Thank you both.
So I am to assume that the genus spread from China possibly before the break up the continents (pangea or Eurasia/Laurasia). Interesting that there are two secondary centers of origin. Thanks again!!!

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:24:18 +0800
From: "Peter Boyce"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Biogeography of Arisaema
To: "Discussion of aroids"
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North America and N. Mexico, montane central and east subsaharan tropical Africa, southern Arabian Peninsular, southern Iran, southern Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, transhimalaya (secondary centre), S China (primary centre); Japan (secondary centre); Korean Peninsular, Indo-China (mainly the montane parts with N. Vietnam an extension of the SW Chinese biome), Malesia as far east as Philippines.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tindomul Er-Murazor
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:28 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Biogeography of Arisaema


I am curious if anyone knows or can anyone tell me how to find out the normal/natural distribution of Arisaema sp. in the world? Thank you.

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