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Starbucks


In using the coffee grounds from Starbucks keep in mind that they do not use
organically/shade- grown coffee exclusively and I do not believe that they
purchase from fair trade organizations.  Then, there is always the issue of
allowing corporate giants to create an aura of goodness by giving them an
outlet to do almost-the-right-thing with one hand and create havoc with the
other.  

We are fighting the corporate takeover of our near-in Chicago Suburb
shopping districts.  We go instead to our small locally owned businesses and
work out arrangements for mutual benefit.  You might be surprised how the
mom and pops will be willing to help in return for helping them market their
business/product. One of our small stores is giving us a 5% day for each
buying customer we bring into her store.
Julie Samuels, GreenNet Chicago 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Governor Locke (a.h.steely)
  2. RE: Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks (Honigman, Adam)
  3. Re: CAUTION -  Free Compostable Coffee (Lekoma Akate)
  4. RE:Starbucks (jsbmh2@aol.com)

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Message: 1
From: "a.h.steely" <gfcp@mindspring.com>
To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:05:04 -0500
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Subject: [cg] Governor Locke

Yes!!  I was impressed and managed to stay awake while listening to Locke.
Maybe the Democrats will get smart and put up a young man like him for
president instead of the old farts that are older than me!  (age 55)  I met
Squanto and learned to plant the 3 sisters with a fish under the hill back
when the Mayflower sailed into Plymouth.  Democrats should not try to rival
the Republicans for ancient presidential candidates.

We need the return of the Victory Garden.  Lots of my young neighbors are in
fear of losing their homes and don't get it, i.e., the grass should be
turned under and the lawn planted in food for their kids.  Maybe you could
suggest that idea to Gov. Locke.

Sincerely,
Helen Steely
Hbg., Pa.




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Message: 2
From: "Honigman, Adam" <Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com>
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Subject: RE: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:32:01 -0500
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OK - On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom and
Pop Stores. 
 
I got you on this, and walk the walk on mom & pop store preservation in my
neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning
Committee of Manhattan Community Board 4.  This is a very hard thing to do
in local neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can
for commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and
services that drives this. 
 
Now, as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through
politics ( yeah I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and a
tented low income market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station
Post Office ( yeah the one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you
that it's a constant fight. 
 
And when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the
legwork and lined up political oppositionon that one too.  Got a 80% market
rent -20% affordable rent high rise with a supermarket going into that
space, so that's a mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building
will be a "keyed, neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a
2,500 sq foot community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing
with the real world and you want to get good things done. Not ends
justifying the means, just best possible outcome considering the way the
ground lays. 
 
Do I want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to
shop small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You
make lemonade from lemons. 
 
Now, I have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically -
and I won't buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or
sells something untoward under the counter. 
 
Let's get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to
do the right thing, why not?  There are people, just like ourselves, and
more than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a
large tent.
 
Best wishes,
Adam Hongman
 
 
 
 
 
 
But...

-----Original Message-----
From: LTanenb50@aol.com [mailto:LTanenb50@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:58 PM
To: Adam.Honigman@bowne.com; community_garden@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks




The point is, Adam, some people do not want to buy products from the"big
guys" who actively put the masses of small mom & pop, sis & brother
businesses out of business.  That's all.  Take the grounds. Get your coffee
elsewhere - if you care about that sort of thing.  Laurie, Chicago




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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>OK
- 
On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom and Pop 
Stores. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>I
got 
you on this, and walk the walk on mom &amp; pop store preservation in my 
neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning
Committee 
of Manhattan Community Board 4.&nbsp; This is a very hard thing to do in
local 
neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can for 
commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and
services 
that drives this. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Now, 
as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through politics (
yeah 
I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and a tented low
income 
market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station Post Office ( yeah
the 
one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you that it's a constant 
fight.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>And 
when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the legwork
and 
lined up political oppositionon that one too.&nbsp; Got a 80% market rent
-20% 
affordable rent  high rise with a supermarket going into that space, so
that's a 
mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building will be a "keyed, 
neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a 2,500 sq foot 
community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing with the real
world 
and you want to get good things done. Not ends justifying the means, just
best 
possible outcome considering the way the ground lays. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Do
I 
want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to shop 
small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You make 
lemonade from lemons. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Now, I 
have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically - and I
won't 
buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or sells something 
untoward under the counter. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Let's 
get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to do the 
right thing, why not?&nbsp; There are people, just like ourselves,&nbsp;and
more 
than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a large 
tent.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Best 
wishes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313241223-29012003>Adam 
Hongman</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=313241223-29012003>But...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> LTanenb50@aol.com 
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5:58 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Adam.Honigman@bowne.com; 
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  Coffee Grounds from Starbucks<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT 
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  FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>The point is, Adam, some people do not want to 
  <U>buy products </U>from the"big guys" who actively put the masses of
small 
  mom &amp; pop, sis &amp; brother businesses out of business.&nbsp; That's 
  all.&nbsp; Take the grounds. Get your coffee elsewhere - <I>if </I>you
care 
  about that sort of thing.&nbsp; Laurie, 
Chicago<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:34:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [cg] CAUTION -  Free Compostable Coffee
From: Lekoma Akate <lekoma216@cox.net>
To: John Verin <jverin@Pennhort.org>,
"CG List (E-mail)" <community_garden@mallorn.com>
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Right on, John.  Like your quote.  Let's make compost with Love, it is only
right.  Love, Lekoma

As we are liberated from our own fear,
our presence automatically liberates others."

"A garden, where one may enter in and forget the whole world, cannot be made
in a week, nor a month, nor a year; it must be planned for, waited for and
loved into being."    Chinese Proverb 

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Message: 4
From: JSBMH2@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:09:56 EST
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Subject: [cg] RE:Starbucks


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Friends,
Starbucks has a program you should know about.  Here in Oklahoma City they 
sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every 
volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage
to 
attend.  Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a month.  The funds
go 
to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the form of a check.  This is

a national program.  Contact you local Starbucks and get on the wagon! 
Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here
by 
politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to great 
benefit.
Peace,
John Herndon
Village Green Community Garden
Norman, Oklahoma 

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FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Friends,<BR>
Starbucks has a program you should know about.&nbsp; Here in Oklahoma City
they sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every
volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage
to attend.&nbsp; Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a
month.&nbsp; The funds go to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the
form of a check.&nbsp; This is a national program.&nbsp; Contact you local
Starbucks and get on the wagon! <BR>
Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here
by politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to
great benefit.<BR>
Peace,<BR>
John Herndon<BR>
Village Green Community Garden<BR>
Norman, Oklahoma <BR>
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