RE: Re:Having died and gone to heaven...
- Subject: RE: [cg] Re:Having died and gone to heaven...
- From: "Jim Call" <email@example.com>
- Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:26:26 -0500
- Importance: Normal
Lisa and others,
This is a situation whereas our city's political powers cannot afford to
evict us from our current location (research park) without damaging their
future. The success of our garden and its support level evidently is held
in high regard. So you see, CASA is in a situation where we will probably
take this deal and run with it. If we ignore this offer and next year the
garden property is purchased, we will be out on the street. We were told
that 2 adjoining sides of our garden has recently been purchased. And if
comes to pass that this happens, our organization will be "under great
criticism" for not being proactive.
Next week, the city officials, CASA's Exec. Dir. and myself are scheduled to
visit the actual proposed site. I will be asking for a draft proposal for
discussion purposes (per Adam's advice) at this time.
I know that a high fence built around the garden sounds like a prison, but
this is mandatory if this garden is to be built. This new garden will be
built in an urban environment. It is a fact that the average community
garden (vegetable) in the U.S. reaches 1/3 of its potential. One third is
stolen or vandalized and one third is lost to pests and mismanagement of
harvesting and irrigation requirements. This has not been the case in the
current situation at the CASA Community Garden and I intend to keep it from
happening at the new location. The landscape will be designed to have trees
planted around its perimeter to offset this "prison like" effect.
As I understand it, this garden will be built at no cost to the CASA
organization. They will build it and we will operate it. I'm sure there
will be certain requirements that have to be met to satisfy the high level
of asethetics of the botanical garden adjoining it (they will not allow a
house trailer in their expensive subdivision). CASA will pay for the
expenses it takes to operate the garden. All of our plants/seeds are
donated. Our total water bill last year was less than $200.00 (irrigation
rates). Our garden produced over $27,000.00 worth of vegetables (per
Plant-A-Row guidelines) delivered at no charge to the elderly and homebound
of Madison County.
I am asking everyone reading this message to give me advice that will help
this garden "grow". To keep this from being a long drawn out discussion on
the listserv, please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org. Please visit my
web site to review our current situation at www.casagarden.com. Anyone
wishing to keep posted (as Adam) on how this scenario transpires, please
email me and I will create a special e-mail list. If everything goes as
planned, we will have a new community garden next spring.
As I tell my volunteers helping in the garden, "I don't care if you are 9 or
90 years old, if you can show me a better way to operate this garden, I will
use it. After all, it is your garden." Thats why its called a "community"
I would like to thank Adam Honigman for all his advice. I will continually
"pick his brain". I admit, I am very naive in dealing with political types.
I just want to grow a garden.
Kindest regards to all,
[mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of lisa vandyke
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:39 AM
Subject: [cg] Re:Having died and gone to heaven...
Hi there, sorry to poke my nose into this, but if your garden accepts the
city's offer, will the mayor and city council plant the seeds, too? Seems
they will take over responsibility for everything, rather than letting you
amatuers try your hand at anything. Just so that the showcase-garden gets it
right!, Right? I don't mean to be suspicious, but I'm suspicious. I have
found that if you don't bust your butt for something, it won't mean
anything. Takes the community of of community gardening. The garden they are
proposing sounds like a prison. How 'bout your folks get money from the city
to buy land then do the rest yourself? If they can afford lighting, parking,
landscaping and fencing; a matching grant seems doable. Then you, the
gardeners (remember them?) can remake your garden as you see fit.
Best of luck on your decision, I hope all ends up well,
Lisa in Mpls.
>From: "Jim.Call" <Jim.Call@dynetics.com>
>To: "Community Gardening Listserv" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:13:48 -0500
>Subject: [cg] Community Garden Proposal
>I've just returned from a meeting with city officials discussing the
>relocation of the CASA
>Community Garden (Huntsville, Alabama). Its seems, as many CG, that we are
>not exactly what city planners are looking for in our current location (a
>high tech research park which is owned by the city), so someday soon, we
>will have to relocate.
>But because of our huge garden success, they are being real careful about
>this relocation/eviction because of the great community support.
>They have proposed the following to CASA.....
> Move us next to the city's botanical garden (urban
> Install high fence to guard the garden from vandals,
> Install/Maintain underground sprinkler system
> Build common pavilion
> Build restroom facilities
> Design and install professional landscaping
> Build storage facility for gardening materials
> Build unique entryway to garden (maybe huge scarecrow to be
>lit up at night).
> Provide proper signage
> Maintain turf area
> Install electricity
> Provide regular garbage pickup
> Prep soil area, adding composted amendments prior to moving
> Relocate the existing garden materials to new facility
> Provide regular police patrols
> Provide parking lot (gravel at first)
> Provide proper night time lighting (parking lot, entryway)
> Provide composted mulch as needed
> Till up garden in spring/fall (as required)
> 99 year lease agreement (Yes, Yes, Yes site permanency)
> Provide the space to double the size of the existing garden
>The above items are at no expense to CASA. CASA will operate the facility
>It was told to me in this manner, "We want to create a community garden to
>be used as a model for other cities to follow". I guess this will be a
>"partnership" between a non-profit organization, CASA and the city.
>Ok Adam H. What do you think? Should we risk being evicted in a few years,
>look for a better location/deal or take them up on this offer?
>Our CASA Board of Directors has to make the final decision.
> I must have died and gone to heaven, Jim Call,
>CASA Garden Director
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