Re: Composting idea
- Subject: Re: [cg] Composting idea
- From: "Mike McGrath" M*@PTD.net
- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:19:11 -0500
This has all been good advice; my only addition is that you don't need to buy nitrogen--shredded fall leaves compost beautifully on their own, and your gardeners will be adding lots of green material from their beds--and perhaps kitchens.
If you think you really need a big N boost, have your members get those big 5 pound "Grounds for Gardeners" sacks from Starbucks--they're free and full of N. (As am I, but not free.) Other coffee shops will be glad to give away their grounds as well...
---McG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Diver" <steved@ncat.org>
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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [cg] Composting idea
Garbage truck, bad.... yuck! Dump truck, good..... clean! Leaves only, good. Mixed yardwaste (leaves, grass, trimmings)... good. Trashy yardwaste with stupid humans mixing waste oil, trash, needles..... bad. Those are the main things to keep in mind, up front. If you are talking leaves only, that pile will sit there for a "long time" if you dump it and that's it. It will make a nice leaf corral and serve as a source of leaf mulch and leaf mould, for several years. But to make compost, you'll need to amend the leaves with nitrogen and lots of water and mix it and turn it. To achieve that, you'll probably want to build regular size composting bins and make compost piles that can be managed with hand tools, for adding moisture and turning, etc. So you can indeed start with that huge leaf corral, and then take volumes of leaves for different uses as needed, including manageable compost bins. Don Boekelheide who is on this list developed some really practical and helpful guidelines for using alfalfa pellets as a nitrogen source with leafy compost. We use those guidelines from NC and promote the method here in AR. Alfalfa pellets are commonly sold as rabbit pellets at feed stores. It serves as an organic nitrogen source, about 7% N. The original formula called for a 50-lb bag per 3'x3'x3' bin, or therebouts. It works out to a proper C:N ratio. Later guidelines suggest that a smaller amount of alfalfa pellets will also do the job. I can dig up an old resource posting on this topic if you need it. It has been my favorite way to handle leafy compost bins. Frankly, urban gardeners driving sporty cars and family cars around don't have the capacity to haul "manures" from a local dairy farm. And God-forbid don't get hoodwinked into using "free" horse manure for community gardens. It is *notorious* for bringing in loads of weed seeds, including spiny pigweed for some reason. By comparison, alfalfa pellets in 50-lb bags are easy to haul in a trunk of a car. Fyi, in my experience you need to pay attention to adding moisture to the pile when you turn it.... because leafy compost binds tend to suck out the moisture and dry down, causing the whole microbial driven composting process to halt. Fyi, if you want to explore composting processes, bulletins, guidelines, documentation, and web resources on "large-scale" composting using a tractor for turning and managing different kinds of piles and windrows, see: Farm-Scale Composting Resource List http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/farmcompost.html Good luck, Steve Diver Northwest ArkansasWe are starting a community garden in Rockville, Maryland and are kicking
around ideas about composting. One idea is to put in a chain link fence bin
big enough to dump a garbage truck load of leaves into. Our city pays $36
dollars a ton to get rid of yard waste. If a garbage truck carries 20 cubic
yards and a cubic yard weighs 500 pounds, one truck load would cost $180 to
get rid of. We could save them that amount and get free compostable leaves
and grass clippings. 20 cubic yards should fit in a bin 10 by 15 by 5 feet
high, big enough to back the truck into and dump the yard waste.
This is all based on internet research rather than experience. Has anyone
tried something like this? Any words of wisdom to share?
Carl Henn
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