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Re: community_garden digest, beekeeping

  • Subject: [cg] Re: community_garden digest, beekeeping
  • From: Donald Loggins dlogg60798@aol.com
  • Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:21:42 -0500

Having worked with bees at the Liz Christy Community Garden for  
almost 30 years I offer the following suggestions:




1) find a volunteer who has worked with bees
2) take a class at a local Botanical Garden (Wave Hill in the Bronx  
has a very good class)
3) locate the hive where the public can not access it. We located our  
hive on top of the garden shed and the public never knew it was there.
4) In working the hive, taking the honey some volunteer will get stung.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble]
I've got 2 power point presentations on bee keeping which I can send
directly to anyone who is interested.




On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:18 AM, community_garden-admin@mallorn.com wrote:


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>   1. Re: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance (grow19@aol.com)
>   2. Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
> (adam36055@aol.com)
>   3. Re: Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance (William
> Hohauser)
>   4. Re: Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
> (adam36055@aol.com)
>   5. seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban community
>  gardening (Zach Feris)
>   6. RE: seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
>  community gardening (Betsy Johnson)
>   7. Gurerilla Gardening in London - A Page from the old NYC Liz
>  Christy Playbook. (adam36055@aol.com)
>   8. Re: seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
>  community gardening (Mike McGrath)
>   9. Re: seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
>  community gardening (adam36055@aol.com)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: Grow19@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:17:20 EST
> To: cybergardens@treebranch.com, community_garden@mallorn.com
> Subject: [cg] Re: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
>
> check with the Land Trust Alliance (google it; located in
> washington, dc)
> and inquire about the insurance that their members use.  we use it
> here in  DC
> for our community gardens.  i don't know what the costs would be
> since  much of
> the insurance climate has changed in 911.  but that said,
> insurance  will
> always be more affordable if numerous gardens come together under
> one  grouping
> to seek a policy, since all policies have minimum charges and then

> would
> likely cover a sizeable amount of land.  the insurance policy that

> the Land Trust
> Alliance developed was meant for vacant lots, land trusts, etc.
>
> judy tiger, washington dc
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:49:58 -0500
> From: adam36055@aol.com
> To: community_garden@mallorn.com
> Subject: [cg] Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
>
>  Here's Jon Crow's intial message on Community Garden Insurance
> from Parks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jon crow <joncrow@earthlink.net>
> To: cybergardens@treebranch.com
> Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> Subject: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
>
>
> News from the tb-cybergardens mailing  list
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> The biggest news to gardeners at the Annual GrowTogether this past
> weekend was
> that the Parks department will no longer require gardens to carry
> insurance.
> In
> the future, as has been the case since our previous insurance policies
> expired,
> anyone hurt in the gardens will have to take their cases through
> the city
> lawsuit process (maybe Edie can explain more).
>
> As you can imagine, the announcement was followed by cheers of
> happiness and
> relief, as the rising costs of insuring the gardens was getting
> unaffordable
> for
> groups with little outside resources. Not to mention our beloved
> NOSC, which
> almost went broke trying to fund the effort.
>
> Many wondered why sports players were never asked to anti-up with
> their
> aggressive use of Parks property, while we passive gardeners were
> expected to
> empty our banks. One convincing reason was always that, unlike
> Parks, city
> employees were not constant visitors to our garden sites. So, to
> maintain the
> autonomy of deciding how we use our spaces, we were being asked to
> make the
> investment.
>
> Now, it seems that no insurance carrier could be found to make
> coverage
> affordable to the garden groups (NOSC found the same roadblock when

> it tried)
> and Parks concluded it would make better sense to treat the gardens

> more like
> b?oparksb?, and let injuries be settled with lawsuits against the

> City. Note
> to
> garden groups from Benepe: please KEEP YOUR GARDENS SAFE!!!
>
> Big thanks to Parks for figuring this out to our advantage, for
> trusting us to
> continue stewarding our gardens in a responsible manner, and for
> making the
> "Parks" Gardens feel a big step closer to being recognized as
> legitimate City
> Parks properties.
>
> Also, a million thanks go to NOSC for being there for the gardens
> over the
> years. I was sad that no one from NOSC was at the GrowTogether this

> year.  In
> my
> mind, they will ALWAYS be part of the heart and soul of the
> Community Garden
> Movement in NYC.
>
> Left out in this process are the Land Trust Gardens, which continue

> to look
> for
> an affordable coverage for the properties they will soon own. NYRP
> will
> continue
> covering their sites, but when TPL passes ownership on to the 3
> land trust,
> theyb?Tll need to carry that burden themselves.
>
> crow
> -------------------------------------------------
> To add or remove yourself from this list, please send a message to
> tb-cybergardens-request@vs50.server4me.com with the word SUBSCRIBE or
> UNSUBSCRIBE  in the BODY of the message. To receive a reference
> guide to this
> mailing list, send a message to tb-cybergardens-
> request@vs50.server4me.com
> with
> the word HELP in the BODY of the message.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> <8C81BF88DB11282-1568-10F13@mblk-r16.sysops.aol.com>
> From: William Hohauser <williamhohauser@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [cg] Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:35:51 -0500
> To: community_garden@mallorn.com
>
> Has there been a formal announcement of this new policy?
>
> William Hohauser
> President
> 6th Street and Avenue B Garden
> New York City
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:49 PM, adam36055@aol.com wrote:
>
>>  Here's Jon Crow's intial message on Community Garden Insurance
>> from Parks
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jon crow <joncrow@earthlink.net>
>> To: cybergardens@treebranch.com
>> Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>> Subject: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
>>
>>
>> News from the tb-cybergardens mailing  list
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The biggest news to gardeners at the Annual GrowTogether this past
>> weekend was
>> that the Parks department will no longer require gardens to carry
>> insurance.
>> In
>> the future, as has been the case since our previous insurance
>> policies
>> expired,
>> anyone hurt in the gardens will have to take their cases through
>> the city
>> lawsuit process (maybe Edie can explain more).
>>
>> As you can imagine, the announcement was followed by cheers of
>> happiness and
>> relief, as the rising costs of insuring the gardens was getting
>> unaffordable
>> for
>> groups with little outside resources. Not to mention our beloved
>> NOSC, which
>> almost went broke trying to fund the effort.
>>
>> Many wondered why sports players were never asked to anti-up with
>> their
>> aggressive use of Parks property, while we passive gardeners were
>> expected to
>> empty our banks. One convincing reason was always that, unlike
>> Parks, city
>> employees were not constant visitors to our garden sites. So, to
>> maintain the
>> autonomy of deciding how we use our spaces, we were being asked to
>> make the
>> investment.
>>
>> Now, it seems that no insurance carrier could be found to make
>> coverage
>> affordable to the garden groups (NOSC found the same roadblock when
>> it tried)
>> and Parks concluded it would make better sense to treat the gardens
>> more like
>> b?oparksb?, and let injuries be settled with lawsuits against the
>> City. Note
>> to
>> garden groups from Benepe: please KEEP YOUR GARDENS SAFE!!!
>>
>> Big thanks to Parks for figuring this out to our advantage, for
>> trusting us to
>> continue stewarding our gardens in a responsible manner, and for
>> making the
>> "Parks" Gardens feel a big step closer to being recognized as
>> legitimate City
>> Parks properties.
>>
>> Also, a million thanks go to NOSC for being there for the gardens
>> over the
>> years. I was sad that no one from NOSC was at the GrowTogether this
>> year.  In
>> my
>> mind, they will ALWAYS be part of the heart and soul of the
>> Community Garden
>> Movement in NYC.
>>
>> Left out in this process are the Land Trust Gardens, which continue
>> to look
>> for
>> an affordable coverage for the properties they will soon own. NYRP
>> will
>> continue
>> covering their sites, but when TPL passes ownership on to the 3
>> land trust,
>> theyb?Tll need to carry that burden themselves.
>>
>> crow
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> To add or remove yourself from this list, please send a message to
>> tb-cybergardens-request@vs50.server4me.com with the word SUBSCRIBE or
>> UNSUBSCRIBE  in the BODY of the message. To receive a reference
>> guide to this
>> mailing list, send a message to tb-cybergardens-
>> request@vs50.server4me.com
>> with
>> the word HELP in the BODY of the message.
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
>> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one
>> of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the
>> ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://
>> www.communitygarden.org
>>
>>
>> To post an e-mail to the list:  community_garden@mallorn.com
>>
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription:  https://
>> secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: Adam36055@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:40:32 EST
> Subject: Re: [cg] Fwd: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No Insurance
> To: williamhohauser@earthlink.net, community_garden@mallorn.com,
> joncrow@earthlink.net, cybergardens@treebranch.com,
> stoneedieedie@parks.nyc.gov
>
> Dear Bill,
>
> I was not at the "Grow Together," because I had to work, but Green
> Thumb
> should have a sheet typed up by now of the new insurance policy. Or

> you could
> contact Mr. Lynn at Parks.
>
> Regards,
> Adam Honigman
>
> Has  there been a formal announcement of this new policy?
>
> William  Hohauser
> President
> 6th Street and Avenue B Garden
> New York  City
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:49 PM, adam36055@aol.com  wrote:
>
>>  Here's Jon Crow's intial message on Community Garden  Insurance
>> from Parks
>>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: jon crow <joncrow@earthlink.net>
>> To:  cybergardens@treebranch.com
>> Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:12:37 -0500  (GMT-05:00)
>> Subject: [tb-cybergardens]: Insurance/No  Insurance
>>
>>
>> News from the tb-cybergardens mailing   list
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  The biggest news to gardeners at the Annual GrowTogether this past
>> weekend was
>> that the Parks department will no longer require  gardens to carry
>> insurance.
>> In
>> the future, as  has been the case since our previous insurance
>> policies
>>  expired,
>> anyone hurt in the gardens will have to take their cases  through
>> the city
>> lawsuit process (maybe Edie can  explain more).
>>
>> As you can imagine, the announcement was  followed by cheers of
>> happiness and
>> relief, as the  rising costs of insuring the gardens was getting
>>  unaffordable
>> for
>> groups with little outside resources. Not to  mention our beloved
>> NOSC, which
>> almost went broke  trying to fund the effort.
>>
>> Many wondered why sports players  were never asked to anti-up with
>> their
>> aggressive use  of Parks property, while we passive gardeners were
>> expected  to
>> empty our banks. One convincing reason was always that,  unlike
>> Parks, city
>> employees were not constant visitors  to our garden sites. So, to
>> maintain the
>> autonomy of  deciding how we use our spaces, we were being asked to
>> make  the
>> investment.
>>
>> Now, it seems that no insurance  carrier could be found to make
>> coverage
>> affordable to  the garden groups (NOSC found the same roadblock when
>> it  tried)
>> and Parks concluded it would make better sense to treat the  gardens
>> more like
>> b?oparksb?, and let injuries be  settled with lawsuits against the
>> City. Note
>> to
>>  garden groups from Benepe: please KEEP YOUR GARDENS SAFE!!!
>>
>>  Big thanks to Parks for figuring this out to our advantage, for
>>  trusting us to
>> continue stewarding our gardens in a responsible  manner, and for
>> making the
>> "Parks" Gardens feel a big  step closer to being recognized as
>> legitimate City
>>  Parks properties.
>>
>> Also, a million thanks go to NOSC for being  there for the gardens
>> over the
>> years. I was sad that no  one from NOSC was at the GrowTogether this
>> year.   In
>> my
>> mind, they will ALWAYS be part of the heart and soul of  the
>> Community Garden
>> Movement in NYC.
>>
>>  Left out in this process are the Land Trust Gardens, which continue
>> to look
>> for
>> an affordable coverage for the properties  they will soon own. NYRP
>> will
>> continue
>> covering  their sites, but when TPL passes ownership on to the 3
>> land  trust,
>> theyb?Tll need to carry that burden themselves.
>>
>>  crow
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> To add  or remove yourself from this list, please send a message to
>>  tb-cybergardens-request@vs50.server4me.com with the word
>> SUBSCRIBE or
>>  UNSUBSCRIBE  in the BODY of the message. To receive a reference
>> guide to this
>> mailing list, send a message to  tb-cybergardens-
>> request@vs50.server4me.com
>> with
>> the  word HELP in the BODY of the message.
>>
>>
>>  ______________________________________________________
>> The American  Community Gardening Association listserve is only one
>> of ACGA's  services to community gardeners. To learn more about the
>> ACGA  and to find out how to join, please go to http://
>>  www.communitygarden.org
>>
>>
>> To post an e-mail to the  list:  community_garden@mallorn.com
>>
>> To subscribe,  unsubscribe or change your subscription:  https://
>>  secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> The  American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one

> of ACGA's
>  services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and
> to find
> out  how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org
>
>
> To post an  e-mail to the list:  community_garden@mallorn.com
>
> To subscribe,  unsubscribe or change your subscription:
> https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
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> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:44:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Zach Feris <zferis@yahoo.com>
> To: community_garden@mallorn.com
> Subject: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community
> gardening
>
> Hi gang,
>   This growing season, members of the Brunswick Community Garden in

> Jersey City, NJ will be deciding whether or not to integrate a new
> element into the garden landscape - a beehive. I'm aware that a
> number of community gardens in NYC, and elsewhere, have
> successfully done thus for a number of years now. Due to member
> interest, we've decided to follow suit.
>
>   The primary concern, as anyone would imagine, is human safety.
> Although, in this litigious age, folks seem to move quickly along
> from concerns of safety to concerns of liability. Whatever your
> line of thinking, here's the thing - honeybees do occasionally
> sting people, and some people are allergic to bee stings.
>
>   We'd be really interested in hearing from those of you out there
> who have experience navigating these issues, specifically in an
> urban setting. We'd really like to do this, but we want to be sure
> that we do it well. Thanks, in advance!
>
>   Best,
>   Zach Feris, Co-Director
>   Email:  zferis@yahoo.com
>   Brunswick Community Garden
>   Web:  http://www.geocities.com/jccommunitygarden/
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Betsy Johnson" <betsy@bgjohnson.com>
> To: "'Zach Feris'" <zferis@yahoo.com>, <community_garden@mallorn.com>
> Subject: RE: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community gardening
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:22:29 -0500
>
> Refer to the article on beekeeping in community gardens that
> appeared on
> page 7 of the May 2005 issue of ACGA's Community Gardener newsletter
>
> http://www.communitygarden.org/newsletter.php
>
>
> Betsy Johnson
> Executive Director
> American Community Gardening Assoc.
> 877-275-2242  betsyjohnson@communitygarden.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community_garden-admin@mallorn.com
> [mailto:community_garden-admin@mallorn.com] On Behalf Of Zach Feris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:45 PM
> To: community_garden@mallorn.com
> Subject: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community
> gardening
>
> Hi gang,
>   This growing season, members of the Brunswick Community Garden in

> Jersey
> City, NJ will be deciding whether or not to integrate a new element

> into the
> garden landscape - a beehive. I'm aware that a number of community
> gardens
> in NYC, and elsewhere, have successfully done thus for a number of
> years
> now. Due to member interest, we've decided to follow suit.
>
>   The primary concern, as anyone would imagine, is human safety.
> Although,
> in this litigious age, folks seem to move quickly along from
> concerns of
> safety to concerns of liability. Whatever your line of thinking,
> here's the
> thing - honeybees do occasionally sting people, and some people are

> allergic
> to bee stings.
>
>   We'd be really interested in hearing from those of you out there
> who have
> experience navigating these issues, specifically in an urban
> setting. We'd
> really like to do this, but we want to be sure that we do it well.
> Thanks,
> in advance!
>
>   Best,
>   Zach Feris, Co-Director
>   Email:  zferis@yahoo.com
>   Brunswick Community Garden
>   Web:  http://www.geocities.com/jccommunitygarden/
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one
> of ACGA's
> services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and
> to find
> out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org
>
>
> To post an e-mail to the list:  community_garden@mallorn.com
>
> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription:
> https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:09:29 -0500
> From: adam36055@aol.com
> To: cybergardens@treebranch.com, communitygarden@mallorn.com,
> DLogg60798@aol.com
> Subject: [cg] Gurerilla Gardening in London - A Page from the old
> NYC Liz
> Christy Playbook.
>
> Friends,
> It's kind of interesting how things go across the "big pond,"  like

> English
> Rock and Roll and now Guerilla Gardening.
> Lord help me, I really like the idea of gardening as a subversive
> activity -
> glad that it's working that way in London these days.
>
> British guerilla gardening: http://www.guerrillagardening.org/.
>
> Regards,
> Adam Honigman
> Hell's Kitchen
>
> Secret Gardeners Go Under Cover in London
> Guerrilla Gardeners Goes Global With Their Public Greening
> By ZOE MAGEE
> March 21, 2006 - - Late at night on a deserted street corner in a
> residential
> part of London, a young man looks shiftily at both sides of the
> road, to the
> left, to the right, before trotting to the traffic circle lugging a

> large
> garbage bag. A friend joins him. An accomplice, perhaps? The scene
> looks more
> suspicious as a crowd gathers, many with long sharp instruments in
> their
> hands, all moving furtively.
> This was the scene last Thursday on Westminster Bridge Road in
> southwest
> London, a rebellious rendezvous of unusual extremists -- the guerrilla
> gardeners -- who were about to attack. They dug up the patchy
> earth, the
> motley-looking shrubs and weeds that the local council offered as
> decoration,
> and in their place entrenched a neat line of lavender bushes, bulbs

> soon to
> bloom full of color, and a few other strategically placed plants.
> It took 16
> of the renegade horticulturalists two five-hour night shifts to
> upgrade this
> island of urban decay.
> "It's about brightening up peoples' lives, and it's about putting a

> bit of
> green and flowers and happiness into the gray areas of London,"
> says Camilla
> Maxwell-Morriss, guerrilla gardener by night. They have struck
> several times
> across England's capital and hope the trend will spread to other
> cities around
> the globe, and to some neglected spots in the countryside too. (The

> group's
> first international member lives in rural Spain.)
> Cross-the-Pond Pollination
> The phrase "guerrilla gardening" was actually coined in New York in

> the 1970s.
> An artist living on the Lower East Side became horrified at where
> children
> were playing -- in deserted lots scattered with garbage. Liz
> Christy tackled
> these wasted spaces by "bombing" barren- looking land with seed
> grenades.
> After some initial success, she formed a group that became known as

> the Green
> Guerrillas. Its footprint remains in New York today, at the Liz
> Christy Bowery
> Houston Community Garden. Construction on a neighboring plot forced

> the garden
> to close two years ago, but it plans to reopen in June. A 2002
> agreement
> between the city of New York and the state attorney general's
> office calls for
> the preservation of the Liz Christy Garden in its entirety. The
> garden can be
> found on the northeast corner of Bowery and Houston streets.
> Thirty years later, the seed that Liz Christy planted has taken
> root across
> the Atlantic in London. Richard Reynolds, the founder of the U.K.
> version of
> the intrepid gardeners, is quickly gaining recruits. But the
> group's green-
> thumb activism has also met with a small thicket of complaints.
> "I think they could probably say I was a vandal, but I am
> vandalizing with
> plants, so hopefully they won't think it's too destructive," says
> Reynolds.
> The local authorities, however, are not too impressed with
> Reynolds' antics.
> One local councilor tells ABC News, "We do think it's a bit silly;
> the idea of
> people going around doing it on council property. We don't
> appreciate people
> interfering."
> Nevertheless, many residents appreciate the efforts of Reynolds and

> his
> horticultural collaborators. While the BBC filmed the group in
> action, several
> passersby reached out and said thanks. "We think it's wonderful
> what they're
> doing," said one elderly local. To learn more about the Richard
> Reynolds'
> Green Guerrillas group, visit their Web site:
> http://www.guerrillagardening.org/.
> Copyright ) 2006 ABC News Internet Ventures
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Reply-To: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG@PTD.net>
> From: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG@PTD.net>
> To: "Zach Feris" <zferis@yahoo.com>, <community_garden@mallorn.com>
> Subject: Re: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community gardening
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:54:24 -0500
> reply-type=original
>
> I know that Adam and his fellows have been very successful with their
> honey-makers in NYC; I was pleased to be gifted with a jar of "Hell's
> Kitchen honey". But I personally think they're a lot of work--and they
> require the use of toxic pesticides.
>     One alternative to what is essentially an "artificial" hive of
> imported
> Italian honeybees (who are very weak in our climate, and so must be

> treated
> with antibiotics and pesticides on a regular basis to protect them
> from
> disease and mites) is to maximize strategies for attracting NATIVE
> bees
> (Mason, blue-faced, orchard, bumble, etc., etc.).
>     These natives are naturally healthy, require no direct care,
> are MUCH
> better pollinators, the males have no stingers (and the females are

> docile)
> and there is no large structure to attract vandals.  No honey, tho.
>                                             Best,  Mike McGrath
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Zach Feris" <zferis@yahoo.com>
> To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:44 PM
> Subject: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community
> gardening
>
>
>> Hi gang,
>>  This growing season, members of the Brunswick Community Garden in

>> Jersey
>> City, NJ will be deciding whether or not to integrate a new
>> element into
>> the garden landscape - a beehive. I'm aware that a number of
>> community
>> gardens in NYC, and elsewhere, have successfully done thus for a
>> number of
>> years now. Due to member interest, we've decided to follow suit.
>>
>>  The primary concern, as anyone would imagine, is human safety.
>> Although,
>> in this litigious age, folks seem to move quickly along from
>> concerns of
>> safety to concerns of liability. Whatever your line of thinking,
>> here's
>> the thing - honeybees do occasionally sting people, and some
>> people are
>> allergic to bee stings.
>>
>>  We'd be really interested in hearing from those of you out there
>> who have
>> experience navigating these issues, specifically in an urban
>> setting. We'd
>> really like to do this, but we want to be sure that we do it well.

>> Thanks,
>> in advance!
>>
>>  Best,
>>  Zach Feris, Co-Director
>>  Email:  zferis@yahoo.com
>>  Brunswick Community Garden
>>  Web:  http://www.geocities.com/jccommunitygarden/
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
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>> ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the
>> ACGA and
>> to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org
>>
>>
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>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:17:17 -0500
> From: adam36055@aol.com
> <003201c64e89$ad419400$3400a8c0@mikedell4100>
> Subject: Re: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community gardening
> To: MikeMcG@PTD.net, zferis@yahoo.com, community_garden@mallorn.com
>
> Beekeeping at the Clinton Community Garden in NYC
>
> It's a hoot having a working beehive, 8 blocks away from where the
> ball drops during the New Year's festivities in Times Square. While

> we love the honey, and sell it as a fundraiser and give it away to
> political dignitaries, and "ahem," radio show hosts like Mike
> McGrath, we are able to run this garden in the midst of diesel
> particulate thick midtown Manhattan without toxic pesticides and
> with organic fertilizers BECAUSE of their pollinating power.
>
> Honey is sweet, natural pollination is sweeter.
>
> We are so fortunate in having a retired NYC High School teacher
> named Sid Glazer who trained as a beekeeper before a post-
> retirement stint in Central America as a Peace Corp Volunteer?
> Remember the Peace Corps? When Americans were known for exports of
> non-military technical assistance?
>
> Anyway, Sid Glazer is our head beekeeper who also works as a
> volunteer at the world famous Wave Hill Garden in Riverdale.  We
> had tried it earlier with another volunteer - but beekeeping
> requires someone who really pays attention to the bees, and will
> get their fanny to the garden ASAP when there is a swarm. Hedigus
> is another fine volunteer and as I'm the resident "Honigman," I
> sometimes put on the beekeeper's helmet and help out.
>
> The Clinton Community Garden DOES NOT use pesticides, because
> they'd kill the bees.  But you need to have beekeeping equipment
> and the understanding that sometimes your colony of tame Italiain
> bees will be killed by mites, or not survive the winter.
>
> But when it works, and you have new clean "supers," fresh bees and
> luck, keeping bees is well worth it.
>
> Bees and neighbors: We keep the beehive next to a solid brick wall,

> in our Native American Bed, not close to neighbors windows. We also

> get on swarms with a smoker right away.  There are risks to bees -
> some folks are deathly allergic to them, so we tell folks that we
> have a beehive, and tell people not to let their kids play too
> close to the hive.
>
> Common sense, but you have to decide on your garden's risks, safety

> procedures, and have a trained beekeeper on tap.  There is a link
> to pictures of the Clinton Community Garden's hive at http://
> www.clintoncommunitygarden.org
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Adam Honigman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike McGrath <MikeMcG@PTD.net>
> To: Zach Feris <zferis@yahoo.com>; community_garden@mallorn.com
> Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:54:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into
> urban community gardening
>
>
> I know that Adam and his fellows have been very successful with
> their honey-makers in NYC; I was pleased to be gifted with a jar of

> "Hell's Kitchen honey". But I personally think they're a lot of
> work--and they require the use of toxic pesticides.
>   One alternative to what is essentially an "artificial" hive of
> imported Italian honeybees (who are very weak in our climate, and
> so must be treated with antibiotics and pesticides on a regular
> basis to protect them from disease and mites) is to maximize
> strategies for attracting NATIVE bees (Mason, blue-faced, orchard,
> bumble, etc., etc.).
>   These natives are naturally healthy, require no direct care, are
> MUCH better pollinators, the males have no stingers (and the
> females are docile) and there is no large structure to attract
> vandals. No honey, tho.
>   Best, Mike McGrath
>
> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Zach Feris" <zferis@yahoo.com>
> To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:44 PM
> Subject: [cg] seeking advice on integrating beekeeping into urban
> community gardening
>
>> Hi gang,
>> This growing season, members of the Brunswick Community Garden in
>> Jersey > City, NJ will be deciding whether or not to integrate a
>> new element into > the garden landscape - a beehive. I'm aware
>> that a number of community > gardens in NYC, and elsewhere, have
>> successfully done thus for a number of > years now. Due to member
>> interest, we've decided to follow suit.
>>
>> The primary concern, as anyone would imagine, is human safety.
>> Although, > in this litigious age, folks seem to move quickly
>> along from concerns of > safety to concerns of liability. Whatever

>> your line of thinking, here's > the thing - honeybees do
>> occasionally sting people, and some people are > allergic to bee
>> stings.
>>
>> We'd be really interested in hearing from those of you out there
>> who have > experience navigating these issues, specifically in an
>> urban setting. We'd > really like to do this, but we want to be
>> sure that we do it well. Thanks, > in advance!
>>
>> Best,
>> Zach Feris, Co-Director
>> Email: zferis@yahoo.com
>> Brunswick Community Garden
>> Web: http://www.geocities.com/jccommunitygarden/
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
>> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one

>> of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about
>> the ACGA and > to find out how to join, please go to http://
>> www.communitygarden.org
>>
>>
>> To post an e-mail to the list: community_garden@mallorn.com
>>
>> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > https://
>> secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
>
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> of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the
> ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://
> www.communitygarden.org
>
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>
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>
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