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MG, Ag Issues, Re: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #2116 - 2msgs

  • Subject: [cg] MG, Ag Issues, Re: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #2116 - 2msgs
  • From: Yvonne Savio ydsavio@ucdavis.edu
  • Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:43:49 -0700

Hi, All--

This is a nice example of online discussion regarding garden transitioning, 
querying, and soothing/reassuring/informative/experiential advice 
provided.  I've worked with both of these wonderful folks--Deborah in 
Ventura and Adam om New York City--and with many garden variations on the 
theme throughout California.  I heartily reinforce Adam's comments and urge 
Deborah to take a deep breath, have a final meeting with "her" gardeners, 
move on, and don't look back except to marvel at however the garden evolves 
will be ok!

At 10:00 AM 4/25/2005, you wrote:

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>   1. Words of wisdom... (Deborah Mills)
>   2. Re: Words of wisdom... (adam36055@aol.com)
>Message: 1
>From: "Deborah Mills" <deborah@greencure.org>
>To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
>Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:59:04 -0700
>Subject: [cg] Words of wisdom...
>Hello my Gardening friends,
>Please, I need your guided words of wisdom now. I may become a little
>self-indulgent but bear with me for a moment.
>I have been on this list server for many a year and sometimes I can be vocal,
>filled with excitement and glee yet other time's silent. But it is your words
>I read everyday. It is like comfort food that feeds the soul.
>I am at a crossroads where my life has changed dramatically. The non-profit
>organization Green Cure, which I founded in 1999, is coming to a close. Out of
>all the youth gardening programs, hort therapy programs for abused women the
>one and only effort to survive these times is the community garden I started
>in Mid-town Ventura. I have found another non-profit, our Mid-Town Community
>Council, to operate the program.
>My dilemma is, the current Garden Manager who has been at the garden from the
>beginning, is very dedicated and gets things done but sometimes lacks in
>people skills which offend many of the gardeners. In the past I always
>smoothed things over and we found a balance. Now that my life is taking me
>completely out of the community all together I fear that this tiny oasis in
>Mid-town shall fade away.
>Questions, questions, questions. to be answered later. My only last hope is to
>keep this gift of a community garden alive without gardeners leaving because
>they feel they are being scolded or not recognized for their efforts in the
>What I can offer back to this precious list server is that I have come to
>realize that it has to be more than one person's vision. I have tried
>(unsuccessfully) to give willingly to others to take the lead but it always
>seemed to fall back on me. I always was there to scoop up the pieces. Is this
>where I failed? Should I have let the pieces fall where they ended up and not
>try to "fix it"?
>If anyone would like to discuss this with me further please e-mail me. I know
>I have been sketchy on the details of the situation.
>Thank you in advance,
>Message: 2
>From: Adam36055@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:41:29 EDT
>Subject: Re: [cg] Words of wisdom...
>To: deborah@greencure.org, community_garden@mallorn.com
>The problem with community gardens "started from the top," instead of "grown
>from the rooots," comes down to the nexus of a volunteer organization having
>the structural problem/habit of looking to "Dad," or "Mom," to provide
>guidance, direction and material support. This isn't fatal, and often is 
>helpful in
>the beginning - the step of transitioning to organizational adulthood and 
>governance is hard. Walking away and trusting the thing to run itself is
>emotionally very hard, but essential.
>There comes a point where you have to slap the baby on the fanny, and it has
>to start to breathe by itself.
>Your membership has to be self-sustaining, take on the responsibilities of
>governing and maintaining the garden.  If the land lease is OK, then the 
>is to go to the gardeners and say, " You like this place? Well, I gotta 
>go, and
>you have to get it together to run this place fairly and honestly. It was
>nice the old way, but lots of gardens run themselves - it requires effort and
>meetings.  If you want to do this, and keep this garden going, then here 
>are some
>samples of garden rules, and governance of community gardens that run
>You can use by-laws from any number of community gardens, the Clinton
>Community Garden's governance is on line at 
>for starters, there are others you can access from the ACGA website, and the
>garden links page.  Throw in a "Robert's Rules of Order," and suggest that 
>look to ways of supporting the project they have taken from, if they find 
>it of
>enough value.
>The crux of the matter is the gardeners have to see themselves as givers to
>their local community instead of "clients," or "recipients."  Otherwise the
>garden structure collapses when Dad or Mom goes away.
>Adam Honigman
>Clinton Community Garden
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>End of community_garden Digest

Ciao for now.

Yvonne Savio
Common Ground Garden Program Manager
University of California Cooperative Extension in Los Angeles County
Mail:  PO Box 22255, Los Angeles CA 90022
Location:  4800 E. Cesar E. Chavez Avenue, Los Angeles CA 90022
Phone:  323-260-3407
Fax:            323-881-0067
Email:  ydsavio@ucdavis.edu
Website:        http://celosangeles.ucdavis.edu/garden/
Master Gardener Email Gardening Helpline:  mglosangeleshelpline@ucdavis.edu
Master Gardener Phone Gardening Helpline:  323-260-3238

Volunteers of the Common Ground Garden Program help low-income and 
limited-resource county residents to grow and eat more nutritious 
vegetables and fruits.  Programs include Master Gardener volunteers 
(seasonal gardening presentations) and Fresh From The Garden volunteers 
(simple nutrition and food safety presentations).  We work primarily with 
community gardens, school gardens, seniors, and homeless and battered 
women's shelters.

2004 Winner
"Feeding the Hungry"
Garden Crusader Award
National Gardening Association

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