RE: Happy Halloween - The November 7th Election
1) I voted for Ralph 4 years ago because Bill signed the welfare reform bill
which means that poor ladies in my neighborhood and their kids are going to
go hungry & without medical care real soon. Kevin, you work in a soup
kitchen? I do every Sunday at my synagogue, and I see more and more kids
there every week.
I've been a union shop steward and walk the walk. Nader is a great
mouthpiece, but he's not done the work of an elected, damn,,,he's not even
been a local community board member like me. Mind you, I have a real job, a
wife and a kid. Ralph's a single guy, how come he's never run for anything
local, or gone for congressman? Honestly, because he might get elected and
have real responsibility.
2) Mea culpa, everyone: Ralph did a financial disclosure form.
I disinformed, but not on purpose. I didn't read my "Nation" that week.
3) Ralph is a millionaire, and though it's real nice that he gives 80% of
his income to causes, he still ain't a working class hero.
4) If we get George Bush as our president and he packs the Supreme Court
with right wing anti-abortion hooples, the blood of all the poor and
working class women who die from botched abortions ( the rich ones will go
overseas or to Canada) will be on the hands of Ralph Nader and the folks
who wanted to cast a "symbolic" vote.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Webb, Nader 2000 [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:04 PM
> To: Honigman, Adam; email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [cg] Happy Halloween - The November 7th Election
> either this is a disingenuous attack on Ralph's character or you failed
> 101-- given that I only 'know' you through your many wonderful postings
> community gardening, I'll assume the latter. Anyone running for public
> has to file a financial disclosure statement, Ralph doesn't get an
> (you can view it on-line at:
> http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index/P20000527.htm). As for his 'wealth',
> has money in mutual funds (yes, valued at over 1 million), but donates 80%
> his income to non-profit organizations. (For more on Ralph and his
> history, see the Washington Post article from this June at:
> Ralph is neither responsible for nor does he have any recourse to prevent
> conservative support for his candidacy. By no means does he endorse them.
> I find it hard to believe that you voted for Ralph Nader four years ago
> the content of your recent postings. If you are going to encourage us to
> "go out
> and work for the candidates you believe in' then please practice what you
> preach- tell us why you believe people should vote for Gore, not why they
> shouldn't vote for Ralph. If you must criticize a candidate-- which is
> fair game
> and by all means necessary in today's world of media spin-- than at least
> your facts straight.
> If you want a history of Ralph's life and commitment to public service,
> out: http://www.nader.org/. If you would like more 'facts' like those you
> listed, check out: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/.
> I can appreciate a 'real politic' analysis of the election, I think it's
> and and fairly shallow, but I can agree that this country is better off
> George Bush. Unfortunately, the decision is not as cut and dry as so many
> frightened liberals would like us to believe. In too many ways the two
> party's are evolving into mirror images of each other. This is in large
> part due
> to the conservative orchestrations of the Democratic Leadership Council
> (DLC), a
> pro-corporate, pro-free trade entity that has wormed it's way to power in
> democratic party. Here's a couple illustrating articles on who and what
> the DLC
> DLC and the Clinton/Gore legacy
> Lieberman and the DLC:
> Finally, as many have pointed out on this list and in other places, the
> progressive community has it's work cut out for it regardless of whether
> Gore or
> Bush wins the presidency. A victory for the Green Party-- 5% or more of
> popular vote-- puts us in that much more of a stronger position at the
> bargaining table. How this will unfold in the future-- whether the
> will rediscover the progressive elements of their party (Paul Wellstone
> president- now there's a democrat I could vote for) or whether the Green
> will continue to grow and become a major third party-- is impossible to
> know at
> this juncture. That our political system is long overdue for a major
> tune-up is
> difficult to refute given any in-depth analysis that looks long and hard
> at the
> political and economic power of the wealthy few whose wants and needs are
> met at
> the expense of genuine progressive interests.
> "Honigman, Adam" wrote:
> > Remember kids, Ralph Nader is a millionaire and has not issued a
> > disclosure form ( he isn't eligible for matching funds anyway. However,
> > throw away your vote on someone who has no chance of serving.
> > Now if Ralph decided to run for congress or senate in a state I'd take
> > my checkbook, maybe use vacation time to work on his campaign. However,
> > presidential campaign is quixotic and could have the effect of giving us
> > Dubya.
> > The NY Post, the far-right-wing Rupert Murdoch newspaper in NYC has been
> > doing full page op-ed pieces of Ralph Nader "for Balance." Honestly,
> it's to
> > get voters who would never vote for Bush and are currently dissafected
> > Gore & the Democratic party to "waste" their votes on Nader.
> > Did you know that Republican soft money is being funnelled as we speak
> > support for Ralph Nader media buys? It's being done indirectly, but it's
> > being done.
> > Again, while you're planting those tulips this weekend, be sure to go
> > and work for the candidates you believe in, and be sure to vote.
> > Best wishes,
> > Adam
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tetrad [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:54 PM
> > > To: email@example.com
> > > Subject: RE: [cg] Happy Halloween - The November 7th Election
> > >
> > > Hi, Folks!
> > >
> > > While I really like the "trading" votes thing so that the Green Party
> > > its 5% and we can have some REAL change with a 3rd party in the US, I
> > > think
> > > the most important thing is to get everyone we know to actually get
> > > there and vote (but not for Bush! ;-)).
> > >
> > > The Philadelphia Inquirer has reported that most of the "undecided"
> > > probably sit this election out and that the election will probably be
> > > on
> > > the lowest voter turnout in history. This is the worst possible
> > > because if the major parties have managed to disgust everyone else,
> > > will ONLY have to play to their "hard-core" members and not have to
> > > consider
> > > the rest of us.
> > >
> > > It only takes a few minutes to vote (the turnout is usually that low,
> > > least around here!) -- get folks you know to actually DO it, even if
> > > have to walk down to the polls with them! Get them to vote for Gore,
> > > Nader
> > > or another 3rd party candidate (I know several folks voting for the
> > > Libertarian Party), but get them to PARTICIPATE!
> > >
> > > If the "undecided" sit the election out, then no one has to consider
> > > views -- take the 20 minutes to participate and SHAKE THE SYSTEM UP!
> > >
> > > I'm still voting for Ralph as PA doesn't seem to be that much in play.
> . .
> > >
> > > Dorene Pasekoff, Coordinator
> > > St. John's United Church of Christ Organic Community Garden
> > >
> > > A mission of
> > > St. John's United Church of Christ, 315 Gay Street, Phoenixville, PA
> > > 19460
> > >
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> Kevin Webb
> Nader 2000
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> expedience comes along and asks the question, is it politic? Vanity asks
> the question, is it popular? Conscience asks the question, is it right?"
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